When did our society start to decay? What happened?

Controlled Opposition said:
evince, I can't be the first to point out that you are paranoid and a sore loser.

The Democrat party should realize that hating Trump is not much of a platform. Wouldn't it be better to come up with something that a majority of Americans could get behind?
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letting him getting away with breaking the rule of law would make him a dictator. It's more at #resist than hate. The one creating hate is trump.
 
Flash said:
There are many facts that would suggest otherwise.

Teen birth rate is at an all-time low. In 2014 it was 24.2 per 1,000 females aged 15-19. In the 1950s it reached 96.3 and 61.8 in 1992

The reason is not abortion because the number of abortions have also declined from a high of 29.3 per thousand women in 1980-81 to 14.6 in 2014.

Crime rates have been falling steadily since the early 1990s. Homicide rate is 4.5 per 100,000 which is the lowest since 1963. In 1980 the rate was over 10.2

Divorce rate is a 40 year low. In 1980 it peaked at 23 per 1,000 married women aged 15 and above and in 2015 that rate had fallen to 16.9 per 1,000.

Public opinion thinks all these things have increased.

In a new book by Steven Pinker called Enlightenment Now he says almost every area of human progress has advanced.
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Then why are foods that were staples of poor people risen so much? examples would be ham hocks, that they would practicullary give away, have risen to $2.29 per pound. Sea food is another. gasoline?
automobiles? utility bills?
 
Jade Dragon said:
Our society started to decay when the "moral majority" stuff started. Interjecting your religious morals on others is what has started many a war. It's why separation of church, and state is so necessary. The moral majority, wasn't even close to a majority anyway. I'm a Catholic Christian, and the idea of interjecting religious morals on the people is abhorrent, and it lessens the faith.
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so is worshipping mammon. reagan turned greed into a virtue.
 
UnkaRitche said:
Then why are foods that were staples of poor people risen so much? examples would be ham hocks, that they would practicullary give away, have risen to $2.29 per pound. Sea food is another. gasoline?
automobiles? utility bills?
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Usually it is supply and demand. But Americans spend less on food and other necessities as a percent of their income than they ever have. They spend a little more on housing (33%) but the number of square feet of their home is much larger. Gas prices are historically low. It was over $4.00 in 2008 and $3.88 in 1981. See the chart below:

http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graph
 
Hello Flash,

Flash said:
Usually it is supply and demand. But Americans spend less on food and other necessities as a percent of their income than they ever have. They spend a little more on housing (33%) but the number of square feet of their home is much larger. Gas prices are historically low. It was over $4.00 in 2008 and $3.88 in 1981. See the chart below:

http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graph
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This makes no sense. How could this be true when Americans once could support a family on one income, but now two incomes often are not enough?
 
Flash said:
Usually it is supply and demand. But Americans spend less on food and other necessities as a percent of their income than they ever have. They spend a little more on housing (33%) but the number of square feet of their home is much larger. Gas prices are historically low. It was over $4.00 in 2008 and $3.88 in 1981. See the chart below:

http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graph
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gas is $3.75 here, now.

Supply and demand is not a factor in a monopolistic state such as ours. Monsanto has taken over the food industry, for example. bigger homes cost more for utilities. Yeah they spend less for food and have horrible diets because of high food prices. Obesity is at an all time high because of cheap junk foods. I wish I could afford lobsters. I used to be able to buy them.
 
Nordberg said:
Of course you would. That is what kind of 'human being" you are.
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The kind of human being that believes in personal responsibility and not enabling other human being's to be freeloader.

I am curious as to why you believe it's a good idea to enable freeloaders to leech off other people because they won't do for themselves.
 
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PoliTalker said:
Hello Flash,

This makes no sense. How could this be true when Americans once could support a family on one income, but now two incomes often are not enough?
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Americans could still support a family on one income if they were willing to accept the same standard of living as people in the 1950s-1960's: one car, no a/c, one television, higher percent of income spent on necessities (food, clothes), smaller living spaces (1,000 more square feet than in 1973), one telephone that couldn't call the next city without high long-distance charges.

Two people work today because they want a higher standard of living and because women are more likely to want a career. People with a higher education are more likely to have two earners than people with lower education--so those that make more money are more likely to both work than those making less money.
 
UnkaRitche said:
gas is $3.75 here, now.

Supply and demand is not a factor in a monopolistic state such as ours. Monsanto has taken over the food industry, for example. bigger homes cost more for utilities. Yeah they spend less for food and have horrible diets because of high food prices. Obesity is at an all time high because of cheap junk foods. I wish I could afford lobsters. I used to be able to buy them.
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Gas here is $2.49. But that is still low historically if you looked at the chart. More drilling results in more supply which means lower prices which always increase in the summer. Try a hybrid or electric car. We have to take some responsibility to keep prices lower rather than blaming it on the oil companies. When gas was high we complained they were "manipulating" the price. When it goes down we don't complain about it but criticize the fracking.

"...the average share of per capita income spent on food fell from 17.5 percent in 1960 to 9.6 percent in 2007. (It has since risen slightly, reaching 9.9 percent in 2013.)"

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...spent-more-of-their-money-on-food-than-you-do
 
Irish said:
I'm not sure anyone, right or left, can argue we are at a terrible decayed point in our society.

Just the other day my niece and nephew who are fostered by my brother had to visit their drug addicted mother. She is incapable of raising a field mouse, but has 3 other kids she raises. She can barely function from opioid addiction, yet govt gives her 1200 a month in SSI payments. So she can fund her drug habit. Yup! YOur tax money hard at work.


Anyway, my niece brings friends over from time to time, and nearly all of them come from "mixed" "blended" families. IE not married parents, half siblings, step siblings. 2-3 different dads, different moms etc. Keep in mind this is a generally affluent area.

The situation is much worse in minority families. Blacks have 75% out of wedlock birth rate. High abortion rates.

So what happened? We went from nearly everyone coming from a nuclear family, to the family being completely destroyed.

It started happening after the 1960s. After Johnson passed the "great society" unfettered welfare act. This gave people, mothers a new option. Don't get married, have as many kids as you wish, and govt will raise and pay for them. It's been a complete and utter disaster. The family is dead. Our society is dead, and this is completely unsustainable.

Yet SJW, Libtards, BLM are worried about what bathrooms trans can go in. Cops doing their jobs, etc. Not a word on family or societal decay that is causing MASSIVE disorder, crime, death, etc.

ALso, most active shooters come from fatherless homes and broken families. Maybe a refocus on this issue would stop gun violence? Rather than more govt intervention.
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boomers happened
 
https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/poli...s-largest-voter-group-baby-boomers/index.html


(CNN)In 2018, the American electorate will cross a historic threshold that could reshape the political balance of power-or leave Democrats fuming in frustration at continued Republican dominance of Washington.
For the first time, millennials next year will pass baby boomers as the largest generation of Americans eligible to vote, according to the well-respected demographic forecasts from the States of Change project at the Center for American Progress, a liberal advocacy group. That transition will end a remarkable four decades of dominance for the baby boomers, who have been the largest generation of eligible voters since 1978, when they surpassed what's been popularly referred to as the Greatest Generation (or G.I. Generation) raised during the Depression.


never blindly blame us again

there are more of you now
 
Kacper said:
The government can help people escape bad relationships. I make no apologies for keeping people from being held hostage by abusers and control freaks. If this issue bothers you so much, why would you align with the right? People with college educations are far more likely to have children inside a marriage than outside of it compared to people without the college education, and yet the family values folks prefer uneducated people over spending any public money on college educations. In opposing making college affordable, the GOP is encouraging out of wedlock births.
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You really do believe this claptrap, don't you?

And in opposing making marriage a reality, the democrat party wants sex out of wedlock, with zero accountability for those involved.

It's funny that you pit your sense of morals against mine, when everyone knows that leftists are the biggest shitbags on this planet.
 
Hello Kacper,

Kacper said:
People with college educations are far more likely to have children inside a marriage than outside of it compared to people without the college education, and yet the family values folks prefer uneducated people over spending any public money on college educations. In opposing making college affordable, the GOP is encouraging out of wedlock births.
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That's a really good point.

Republicans want to blame the poor for being poor, but they don't wish to help them climb out of poverty. Government assistance programs give many in poverty the leg-up they need to become self-supporting tax-paying productive members of society.

Rich Republicans claim that anyone can become rich in America, so there is no reason to help the needy. These are the same people who fight the inheritance tax for the super-rich. This makes no sense. If anyone can build a fortune in America, why do they seek to deny their offspring the sense of self-worth of creating their own fortune?

If the rich believe anybody can start from scratch and become wealthy, then why don't they practice what they preach?

Instead of sending their kids to high class wealthy schools and giving them an inheritance so big they never have to work a day in their life, how about the wealthy send their kids to the worst rated schools the poor are relegated to, and give them the same inheritance the poor get? Don't they really believe everyone has the same chance to become wealthy?
 
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