When did our society start to decay? What happened?

Hello Kacper,



That's a really good point.

Republicans want to blame the poor for being poor, but they don't wish to help them climb out of poverty. Government assistance programs give many in poverty the leg-up they need to become self-supporting tax-paying productive members of society.

Rich Republicans claim that anyone can become rich in America, so there is no reason to help the needy. These are the same people who fight the inheritance tax for the super-rich. This makes no sense. If anyone can build a fortune in America, why do they seek to deny their offspring the sense of self-worth of creating their own fortune?

If the rich believe anybody can start from scratch and become wealthy, then why don't they practice what they preach?

Instead of sending their kids to high class wealthy schools and giving them an inheritance so big they never have to work a day in their life, how about the wealthy send their kids to the worst rated schools the poor are relegated to, and give them the same inheritance the poor get? Don't they really believe everyone has the same chance to become wealthy?

Yes, pretty much that.

Republicans attempt to pass of wealth as merit, and in doing so they convince themselves that bad luck is bad character. They then use that gleeful self-delusion to justify punishing the poor and/or the sick. They're simply not worthy because they're shiftless, grifters, lazy, moochers, etc... They attempt to fool certain demographics into thinking that being poor is a character flaw or crime, all while wrapping themselves in a self-righteous mantel of assumed virtue that they themselves have never possessed.
 
Yes, pretty much that.

Republicans attempt to pass of wealth as merit, and in doing so they convince themselves that bad luck is bad character. They then use that gleeful self-delusion to justify punishing the poor and/or the sick. They're simply not worthy because they're shiftless, grifters, lazy, moochers, etc... They attempt to fool certain demographics into thinking that being poor is a character flaw or crime, all while wrapping themselves in a self-righteous mantel of assumed virtue that they themselves have never possessed.

Bad luck is just that, bad luck. Regardless of how much someone had it doesn't, by default, mean those that had good luck are supposed to offset it on someone else's behalf.

Being poor isn't a character flaw or crime. The character flaw comes in when because you're poor you automatically assume, and therefore demand, someone that isn't poor is obligated to take care of you.
 
I'm not sure anyone, right or left, can argue we are at a terrible decayed point in our society.

Just the other day my niece and nephew who are fostered by my brother had to visit their drug addicted mother. She is incapable of raising a field mouse, but has 3 other kids she raises. She can barely function from opioid addiction, yet govt gives her 1200 a month in SSI payments. So she can fund her drug habit. Yup! YOur tax money hard at work.


Anyway, my niece brings friends over from time to time, and nearly all of them come from "mixed" "blended" families. IE not married parents, half siblings, step siblings. 2-3 different dads, different moms etc. Keep in mind this is a generally affluent area.
I remember when our kids were in school, back in the '80s. Out of all their classmates, they were the only ones whose parents were still together.
ALso, most active shooters come from fatherless homes and broken families. Maybe a refocus on this issue would stop gun violence? Rather than more govt intervention.
That's certainly a thought. We should be looking more into what causes people to become murderers.
 
gas is $3.75 here, now.

Supply and demand is not a factor in a monopolistic state such as ours. Monsanto has taken over the food industry, for example. bigger homes cost more for utilities. Yeah they spend less for food and have horrible diets because of high food prices. Obesity is at an all time high because of cheap junk foods. I wish I could afford lobsters. I used to be able to buy them.

Supply and demand even effects prices in a monopoly. However, we are from a monopolistic state in agriculture.

"Family farms comprise 99 percent of U.S. farms, accounting for 89 percent of production. Small farms make up 90 percent of farms, operating nearly half of farmland. Still, large family farms accounted for 42 percent of production in 2015."

There are 922 million acres of farmland in the U. S. (crop and pasture). Monsanto owns 0.005% of that or about 0.01% of all cropland.
 
but Boomers are not all republicans dude


so you mean republicans happened
Agreed
The young flyover country slackjaws are still slackjaws, only older now, people who were brought up in educated culturally diverse places didn't turn into trump poorly educated slackjaws
 
When did our society start to decay? What happened?

Social media. When the average person thought that their lives were actually worth hearing about. When sounds bytes are taken as gospel. When history/fact etc., is changed in a tweet, and believed.
 
That’s just a load of bull. I know kids raised in a traditional family that are worthless, while other children raised in single patent, gay or grand parent raised kids are exemplary. It depends if the child was loved and the values instilled.

Anecdotal. By and large, kids from mother/father families succeed far better than fatherless households.
 
Anecdotal. By and large, kids from mother/father families succeed far better than fatherless households.
Bullshit, if the father is a drunk or an abuser, doesn’t work, cheats on the wife, the kids suffer, the family suffers.
 
The government can help people escape bad relationships. I make no apologies for keeping people from being held hostage by abusers and control freaks. If this issue bothers you so much, why would you align with the right? People with college educations are far more likely to have children inside a marriage than outside of it compared to people without the college education, and yet the family values folks prefer uneducated people over spending any public money on college educations. In opposing making college affordable, the GOP is encouraging out of wedlock births.

I don't see how supporting family structure and waiting till marriage to have kids = wives stuck in a marriage...

Maybe in 1940 when women didn't really go to school, but in today's world with women leading the way in Masters, and PHDs I don't see this as an issue. Unless you are claiming women can't make it on their own?
 
Nope, I don't buy the premise of "the good old days", that elderly tea-bagging conservatives in rocking chairs always jabber on about.


80 years ago, women could not vote and were treated as second class citizens.

50 years ago, we had Jim Crow, blacks were still being strung up in trees, white male hegemony was entrenched, and even the remote concept of equality was inconceivable.

30 years ago, gay people were treated as if they were mentally ill, and discrimination against them was not only perfectly acceptable, but widespread.

15 years ago, the concept of gay marriage, gay adoption of children, or equal rights for the LBGT community seemed a distant prospect.

10 years ago, marijuana was not legal, and people with chronic pain or health conditions that needed it were treated like criminals.




I would really like to know when exactly this alleged "golden age" of America was, when all its citizens were treaty equally, treated with dignity, and afforded full protection from discrimination, harassment, and persecution.

Yes somethings were bad from the past. That doesn't mean ALL things were. The family structure was a strength not a weakness. Your strawman doesn't hold up.
 
Hello and goodbye Irish,



You have used an offensive term which indicates you are not someone I can enjoy having a conversation with. Welcome to my permanent Ignore List.

Everyone here is free to speak their mind and say anything they wish.

That doesn't mean everyone else has to read garbage.

What term was offensive? What a moron.
 
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