When the Constitution was trashed and how we may never recover.

BidenPresident said:
Absolutely.
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Then what is the purpose of the Constitution granting those (17?) powers to Congress? It doesn't need to give Congress any powers because it can do anything it wants unless specifically denied.

It can take away our right to travel, go to the school of our choice, create any tax, prohibit abortion, .......
 
Flash said:
Then what is the purpose of the Constitution granting those (17?) powers to Congress? It doesn't need to give Congress any powers because it can do anything it wants unless specifically denied.

It can take away our right to travel, go to the school of our choice, create any tax, prohibit abortion, .......
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Yes.

It is the nature of law. A posted speed limit of 70 on a highway means you should not exceed 70 mph. But it does not tell you whether you can drive 60, 64, or 59 mph.
Law establishes a limit.
 
BidenPresident said:
Yes.

It is the nature of law. A posted speed limit of 70 on a highway means you should not exceed 70 mph. But it does not tell you whether you can drive 60, 64, or 59 mph.
Law establishes a limit.
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You misunderstand the basic point of having a Constitution. The framers that wrote that document certainly didn't think it could do anything unless denied. Many of our constitutional law case involve questions over whether the federal government has the power to perform certain functions. None of that would be necessary if anyone ever agreed with your interpretation.

In your example, some level of government had to have been given the authority to set speed limits. You would deny us many rights and freedoms.

I guess you disagreed with the courts when they struck down Trump's executive orders to limit travel to the U. S. by Muslims; after all, nothing specifically prohibits him from exercising that power. Or, stopping Mike Pence from not certifying the electoral votes.
 
BidenPresident said:
My view is quite conventional and the standard understanding of the Constitution.
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Certainly not to the federal or state courts who have ruled on many occasions the government did not have the authority to perform a certain function.

You are starting to sound like Into the Night and his puppets. He claims there are only 48 states. You argument is about as factual.

There is nothing conventional or standard about your claim
 
Flash said:
Certainly not to the federal or state courts who have ruled on many occasions the government did not have the authority to perform a certain function.

You are starting to sound like Into the Night and his puppets. He claims there are only 48 states. You argument is about as factual.

There is nothing conventional or standard about your claim
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Yet you cannot refute my statement. Ad hominems get you no where, ok?
 
BidenPresident said:
Yet you cannot refute my statement. Ad hominems get you no where, ok?
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I'll refute your statement when you answer my previous question to you:

I guess you disagreed with the courts when they struck down Trump's executive orders to limit travel to the U. S. by Muslims; after all, nothing specifically prohibits him from exercising that power. Or, stopping Mike Pence from not certifying the electoral votes.
 
Flash said:
I'll refute your statement when you answer my previous question to you:

I guess you disagreed with the courts when they struck down Trump's executive orders to limit travel to the U. S. by Muslims; after all, nothing specifically prohibits him from exercising that power. Or, stopping Mike Pence from not certifying the electoral votes.
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What does any of that have to do with the Constitution?
 
BidenPresident said:
You're weird. You cannot possibly think that is my position.
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You said the government could do anything it wanted unless specifically denied. These things are not denied so you must think Trump had the constitutional power to enact these orders.

That was your position, not mine.
 
Flash said:
You said the government could do anything it wanted unless specifically denied. These things are not denied so you must think Trump had the constitutional power to enact these orders.

That was your position, not mine.
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I don't find this petty contentiousness interesting.
 
BidenPresident said:
Anything LEGAL. Seriously, you needed me to make that explicit?!
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What determines if it is legal?

If Congress is not given the constitutional power to, for example, create a health care system, then it is not legal because they don't have authority to do it.

This is a very different position than you stated earlier. If Congress can do whatever it wants unless prohibited it is determining what is legal when it passes a law. If it must have constitutional power to pass that law then the Constitution determines what is legal.
 
Flash said:
What determines if it is legal?

If Congress is not given the constitutional power to, for example, create a health care system, then it is not legal because they don't have authority to do it.
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Absolutely false. No constitutional scholar would agree with you.
 
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