When Will We Recover From The Civil War? Now Is The Time.

Hello Dutch Uncle,

The point being that ideals and circumstances of the time where quite different. It's silly for someone to hold the South to 21st Century standard then give New York a pass because "it was the times". Note that New York was on the verge of succeeding too for the same reason as other states: Their economic welfare.

I think it can be said that New York, with the Big Apple, has succeeded quite admirably.

And it still enjoys great success.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,
I think it can be said that New York, with the Big Apple, has succeeded quite admirably.

And it still enjoys great success.

Sorry, for the type. The word was seceding, not succeeding, as previously pointed out:
Last night I watched "The Gangs of New York" again. The 1863 New York draft riots played a key part of the movie and raised an important part of history. One reason why the Civil War still raises issues is because many of the same problems still exist; Federal law trumping citizen rights, elitism, the use of Federal force against Americans, immigration.

It proved Lincoln's War started the draft; unprecedented in US history.

It pointed out that New York also thought about seceding because the war and loss of business with the South was crippling them.

It raised the ugly head of elitism since the rich could buy their way out of the draft whereas the poor were stuck with going to war.

It used Federal troops to quell the rioting resulting in the deaths of American citizens. The official death toll was 119 but the true number could be over 1200 since many of the dead were Irish immigrants who were considered on the level of African-Americans by Northern racists so leaders didn't give a shit about them. Irish immigrants were pouring in by the thousands and were considered as expendable as yesterday's newspaper.

https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/draft-riots
The New York Draft Riots occurred in July 1863, when the anger of working-class New Yorkers over a new federal draft law during the Civil War sparked five days of some of the bloodiest and most destructive rioting in U.S. history. Hundreds of people were killed, many more seriously injured, and African-Americans were often the target of the rioters’ violence....

...Facing a dire shortage of manpower in early 1863, Lincoln’s government passed a strict new conscription law, which made all male citizens between 20 and 35 and all unmarried men between 35 and 45 subject to military duty.

Though all eligible men were entered into a lottery, they could buy their way out of harm’s way by hiring a substitute or paying $300 to the government (roughly $5,800 today).

At the time, that sum was the yearly salary for the average American worker, making avoiding the draft impossible for all but the wealthiest of men. Compounding the issue, African Americans were exempt from the draft, as they were not considered citizens.
 
Sorry, for the type. The word was seceding, not succeeding, as previously pointed out:

you know what else is the ugly head of elitism?

people believing it's fine to send other people's jobs overseas.

wealthy who believe it's fine to destroy the economy cuz virus hoax because they already got theirs.
 
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Hello Dutch Uncle,

No worries. I should have caught the typo. :)

If all the States seceded from the Union there would be no more USA.

If the Southern States could have gotten the Northern States to secede then the Southern States would not have had to secede, and they could have then dominated the federal government and ensured their precious slavery would never be outlawed.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,



If all the States seceded from the Union there would be no more USA.

If the Southern States could have gotten the Northern States to secede then the Southern States would not have had to secede, and they could have then dominated the federal government and ensured their precious slavery would never be outlawed.

Names would change but the people would remain the same. A lot of things that shaped the US would still exist. Even if Lincoln hadn't violated the Constitution and invaded Virginia, I doubt the split would have lasted long. Too much money to be made working together. At some point a "Reunification" movement would have begun. The Civil War was known to be "brother fighting brother". A peaceful split would have seen families still split and they'd want to reunite just like Germany did after the Cold War.

As for slavery, it was dying out too due to Christian ideals in the US. Something the Lefties are always bitching about, but it was the backbone of abolitionism. Technology would have made slaves obsolete and too costly the same way tractors and columbines made horses and oxen obsolete for farming.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Names would change but the people would remain the same. A lot of things that shaped the US would still exist. Even if Lincoln hadn't violated the Constitution and invaded Virginia, I doubt the split would have lasted long. Too much money to be made working together. At some point a "Reunification" movement would have begun. The Civil War was known to be "brother fighting brother". A peaceful split would have seen families still split and they'd want to reunite just like Germany did after the Cold War.

As for slavery, it was dying out too due to Christian ideals in the US. Something the Lefties are always bitching about, but it was the backbone of abolitionism. Technology would have made slaves obsolete and too costly the same way tractors and columbines made horses and oxen obsolete for farming.

The reason the Northern economy outpaced the Southern economy was because of industrialism and technological advancement.
 
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