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Witold, you might consider looking up "debate" so you understand what it means. Here, let me help get you started: https://www.shanesnow.com/articles/debate
HOW TO HAVE A PRODUCTIVE DEBATE: WHAT RESEARCH TELLS US ON HOW TO MAKE PROGRESS THROUGH HONEST ARGUMENT



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quit being a pussy, fake smart guy.
 
ok mr. debate, explain how a "consumer society" is a reasonable concept.

it's a fools concept. it's a society in denial, made stupid from corporate fascist propaganda.

It works.

Murphy's Law of Combat #73 If it's stupid and works, it ain't stupid.

I'm open to suggestions on something better.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Back to behavior modification. The word "Shaping" means to slowly and patiently change behavior much like turning a supertanker. It can't be done quickly. Too many Americans are "I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!" and don't have the education and self-discipline to work steadily and persistently toward a goal.

Of course, like pushing a car up a hill, if it turns out you are pushing it up the wrong hill, that really, really sucks. Best to be smart about the long term goals and not try to jam it with fast, but flawed solutions.

The goal of the commercials is primarily to sell widgets, not cause social change even though those may be the results. I think it's more a reflection of social changes already in place than of the Corporate Overlords treating people like lab rats to sell Cheerios, insurance or Sonic burgers. The commercials are seeking to touch upon something that already exists rather than to induce that change itself.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/shaping.html
Shaping is the process of reinforcing successively closer and closer approximations to a desired terminal behavior. The shaping of behavior starts at an early age. For example, a child learns to pull itself up, to stand, to walk and to finally move about through reinforcement of slightly exceptional instances of behaviors. Walking doesn't necessarily come naturally to a child, but through subtle reinforcements of being able to reach a toy or move more independently, the child's behavior is shaped.

The behaviorist B. F. Skinner was an important researcher for the behavior analyst model of discipline and shaping student behavior through reinforcement. Skinner first researched the behavioral processes of shaping by trying to teach a pigeon to bowl. The desired outcome was that of a swiping of a wooden ball by the beak of the bird so the ball was sent down a miniature alley toward a set of toy pins. That process involved carefully designed series of discriminative stimuli and reinforcements for subtle changes in response referred to as a program. In order for shaping to be successful, it is important to clearly define the behavioral objective and target behavior, and to know when to deliver or withhold reinforcement.

I agree with the slow long term subtle approach to shaping society to be more racial fairness aware and less racist.
 
It works.

Murphy's Law of Combat #73 If it's stupid and works, it ain't stupid.

I'm open to suggestions on something better.

it doesn't work. we're having unemployment, deeper bifurcation of society, and a loss of vital national capacities.

you're in the denial I was talking about.

the sad truth about you is you know what I'm talking about, but you're a shameless sociopathic liar.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

I agree with the slow long term subtle approach to shaping society to be more racial fairness aware and less racist.

Agreed. OTOH, even saying "more racial fairness" is, IMHO, flawed. Why not just say "Shaping society to be fair to all"?

Our nation is best served when every citizen's potential is maximized and accepted for the betterment of all. Race, gender, sexual preferences and religion, to name a few, don't matter since they irrelevant to the larger picture of a stronger, more fair society which places as much importance on the individual as it does society as a whole.
 
Agreed. OTOH, even saying "more racial fairness" is, IMHO, flawed. Why not just say "Shaping society to be fair to all"?

Our nation is best served when every citizen's potential is maximized and accepted for the betterment of all. Race, gender, sexual preferences and religion, to name a few, don't matter since they irrelevant to the larger picture of a stronger, more fair society which places as much importance on the individual as it does society as a whole.

because he believes in overt discrimination against whites, christians, males, americans, and free thinkers, and anti globalists. and you go along with it all like little ho.
 
it doesn't work. we're having unemployment, deeper bifurcation of society, and a loss of vital national capacities.

you're in the denial I was talking about.

the sad truth about you is you know what I'm talking about, but you're a shameless sociopathic liar.

Why isn't it working? It's not a zero-sum game where there have to be as many losers as winners. Why can't everyone be a winner?

Your anger proves you have a cognitive bias to belief life is a zero-sum game and that you are just a loser. You aren't a loser unless you truly believe you are a loser.

Consider Trump; he's very pissed off for losing the election. Boo-fucking-Hoo; he's a fucking billionaire. Barron is worth more money than everyone of JPP will ever see in their lifetime added together. All this proves is that "loser" is a relative term, not an absolute.

You can be perfectly happy all tatted up, pierced, living on welfare and tagging buildings with your art. No one can stop you from being happy if that's what you choose to be. Same goes if you want to be bitter and consider yourself a loser by throwing pity parties for yourself like Donald J. Trump does. It's your choice to make.

Your mention of the Tao (AKA Dao) is correct. Explore that more. Don't let others tell you what you are worth, especially those that worship money. Food and shelter are necessities. Money is just for bean counters. Live your life the way you want, and without harming others, and you will find happiness.
 
Why isn't it working? It's not a zero-sum game where there have to be as many losers as winners. Why can't everyone be a winner?

Your anger proves you have a cognitive bias to belief life is a zero-sum game and that you are just a loser. You aren't a loser unless you truly believe you are a loser.

Consider Trump; he's very pissed off for losing the election. Boo-fucking-Hoo; he's a fucking billionaire. Barron is worth more money than everyone of JPP will ever see in their lifetime added together. All this proves is that "loser" is a relative term, not an absolute.

You can be perfectly happy all tatted up, pierced, living on welfare and tagging buildings with your art. No one can stop you from being happy if that's what you choose to be. Same goes if you want to be bitter and consider yourself a loser by throwing pity parties for yourself like Donald J. Trump does. It's your choice to make.

Your mention of the Tao (AKA Dao) is correct. Explore that more. Don't let others tell you what you are worth, especially those that worship money. Food and shelter are necessities. Money is just for bean counters. Live your life the way you want, and without harming others, and you will find happiness.

I just told you. you just ignore it. massive unemployment, deeper bifurcation of haves and have nots, destablitization of society, loss of vital national capacities.

not giving a fuck, like you, isnt a solution, it's being in denial.
 
I just told you. you just ignore it. massive unemployment, deeper bifurcation of haves and have nots, destablitization of society, loss of vital national capacities.

not giving a fuck, like you, isnt a solution, it's being in denial.

You complain and point fingers a lot like a child. Unlike an adult, you don't have any solutions. Let me know when you grow up and can offer how to change society since everything I've posted so far you've hated, disliked and trashed.
 
You complain and point fingers a lot like a child. Unlike an adult, you don't have any solutions. Let me know when you grow up and can offer how to change society since everything I've posted so far you've hated, disliked and trashed.

Keep in mind I've asked you for your solutions to division.

You ran away.
 
Keep in mind I've asked you for your solutions to division.

You ran away.

I've given them, Witold. Like AHZ, all you do is stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" as loud and as long as you can.

Identifying the problem is easy. We've all agreed on what the problems are. Solutions are harder. You and your teammate think tearing down social order is the best path. I disagreed and offered positive but consistent changed based on fairness to all, not just special groups. You ignored it and went "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" as loud as you could for a dozen posts or so.

Give me a single good reason why I should give a shit what you are selling and why I shouldn't go discuss topics more positive and more likely to work?
 
You complain and point fingers a lot like a child. Unlike an adult, you don't have any solutions. Let me know when you grow up and can offer how to change society since everything I've posted so far you've hated, disliked and trashed.

tariffs. telling china to go fuck off. there's two right there.

raising awareness of the problem is step one, wouldn't you agree? can I count on your help?

probably not, you'll just go back to being a traitorous globalist liar, pushing nonsense phrases and think tank memes.

can you even acknowledge it would be a bad idea to outsource our military supply chain, to global competitors?

or keep running, stupid liar coward.
 
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I've given them, Witold. Like AHZ, all you do is stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" as loud and as long as you can.

Identifying the problem is easy. We've all agreed on what the problems are. Solutions are harder. You and your teammate think tearing down social order is the best path. I disagreed and offered positive but consistent changed based on fairness to all, not just special groups. You ignored it and went "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" as loud as you could for a dozen posts or so.

Give me a single good reason why I should give a shit what you are selling and why I shouldn't go discuss topics more positive and more likely to work?

The division is Individualist leaning Republicans vs Collectivist leaning Democrats.

It just happens to be a big difference between ethnicity.

You claim its all cultural.

Even after generations Blacks & Jews are more collectivist than White Protestants by a wide degree.
While White Catholicd are slightly more Collectivist.

You claim it's all cultural.

But, Africa & Israel are a lot more Collectivist & White Catholics in Europe are slightly more Collectivists than Protestant Europe.

You claim it's culture.

You need to first explain it.

How is a Black in Mississippi more culturally like an African than a White from Mississippi?

Yet. In terms of Collectivism & Violence Blackd in Mississippi are more like Africs than Whites in Mississippi.

I see absolutely no evidence of it just being cultural.
 
tariffs. telling china to go fuck off. there's two right there.....
Why are tariffs a good thing?

China is the second largest economy on the planet, still less than a third of the US. Why don't we want to work with them? If we can't, shouldn't we take a hard look at nuking them?
 
Why are tariffs a good thing?

China is the second largest economy on the planet, still less than a third of the US. Why don't we want to work with them? If we can't, shouldn't we take a hard look at nuking them?

they make domestically produced, non slave goods more competitive. the nation should ban all slave goods as a rule, like pre 90s.
 
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