White Christian nationalists are poised to remake America in their image during Trump’s second term,
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Diogenes
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Yes. Many switched Parties or voted for the Unionist parties.
Grant was a War Democrat who switched Parties, by the way.
Diogenes
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AProudLefty
Black Kitty Ain't Happy
Guess who this guy voted for?
Yes.
AProudLefty
Black Kitty Ain't Happy
Certainly not Democrat.
Guess who this guy voted for?
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Same people as you voted for.
Diogenes
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Who told you that?
Talking to yourself again?
Diogenes
It's my prerogative
No, I'm addressing Y O U.
Ulysses S. Grant was not initially a Democrat but rather a member of the Whig Party before the American Civil War. As the Whig Party dissolved, Grant, like many others, found himself politically adrift. However, he did not formally switch from being a Democrat to another party; instead, his political alignment evolved with the changing political landscape of the time.
Here's a brief outline of Grant's political journey:
- Pre-Civil War: Grant was a Whig, but by the time of the Civil War, the Whig Party had largely disintegrated. His sympathies during this period leaned towards the Union, which was more aligned with the emerging Republican Party's stance on preserving the Union.
- During the Civil War: Grant's role as a Union general made him a prominent figure, and his political views were seen as supportive of the Union cause, which was championed by the Republican Party.
- Post-Civil War: After the war, Grant became associated with the Republican Party. He was nominated for president by the Republicans in 1868 and won the election, serving two terms from 1869 to 1877. His administration is often credited with trying to protect the rights of freed slaves and implementing Reconstruction policies.
@Grok
AProudLefty
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You voted for him.Guess who this guy voted for?
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Same people as you voted for.
Diogenes
It's my prerogative
This assertion contains several historical inaccuracies and misconceptions that need clarification:
- During the American Civil War, there were indeed "War Democrats," who supported the Union's war effort against the Confederacy, unlike the "Peace Democrats" or "Copperheads" who advocated for peace negotiations or even secession. War Democrats aligned with Lincoln's Republican Party in a political coalition known as the Union Party for the 1864 election. However, the claim that Lincoln specifically depended on "100 northern War Democrats" for support is not historically documented. Lincoln's support was much broader, encompassing a wide range of Republicans and Unionists.
- The Civil War was not considered "illegal" under U.S. law or the Constitution. The U.S. Constitution allows Congress to declare war, which it did in 1861, although the initial military actions were taken by President Lincoln before Congress convened. The legality of these actions has been debated, but they were generally upheld under the circumstances of national emergency.
- The Civil War did not aim to establish a "corporate welfare state." Lincoln's administration did see significant government involvement in the economy, such as with the Homestead Act, the Morrill Land-Grant Acts, and the establishment of a national banking system. However, these policies were more about national development, westward expansion, and financing the war rather than creating a corporate welfare state. The term "corporate welfare" as we understand it today would be anachronistic for that period.
In summary, while Lincoln did gain support from War Democrats for the war effort, the framing of the Civil War and Lincoln's policies in the terms you've described does not accurately reflect the historical context or motivations of the time. Lincoln's primary aim was to preserve the Union, and later, the abolition of slavery became a key war aim with the Emancipation Proclamation. His economic policies were more about national cohesion and war financing than creating a welfare state for corporations.
@Grok
Fake news. Grant was never a member of the Whig Party. Grant's father was a Democrat, and Ulysses was influenced by one of his father's best friends, John Aaron Rawlins, a War Democrat who gave an anti-slavery speech and sponsored Grant's military career and advancement. Grant expressed some agreement with some Whig platforms, but his rise was via War Democrats, and as already said many switched to the Republicans and also the National Union Party.
You're gibbering again. The more you keep playing 'I Touched You Last!!!' the sillier you get.
Lincoln's White Nationalism.
AI overview:
Arguments for Lincoln being a white supremacist
Most 'abolitionists' were in fact white nationalists, and wanted to ship them all back to Africa. The Republican Party's platform in 1860 was a white nationalist platform. It was not just against slavery in the new territories, it was against all black migration outside of the South.
The key to the Republican Party's success was its position on slavery. It opposed the expansion of slavery and called upon Congress to take measures, whenever necessary, to prevent its extension. It condemned slavery as an immoral institution, a relic of "barbarism," and most Republicans thought that by confining slavery within its present boundaries, the institution would be placed on the road to eventual extinction. The party was, therefore, a genuine anti-slavery party, but most Republicans rejected a more radical stand that would associate them with abolitionism. The party, for example, upheld the constitutional sanctity of slavery within the South, and a significant minority (including Lincoln) were willing to support a constitutional amendment forever guaranteeing against congressional interference with slavery in the states. Republicans also acknowledged the legitimacy of the fugitive slave clause of the Constitution and accepted its enforcement by proper laws. Republicans, therefore, separated themselves from abolitionists who agitated for a quicker, immediate, end to slavery, and the adoption of measures, such as the emancipation of slaves in the nation's capital, which would render slavery insecure in its present boundaries.
At the same time, moderate Republicans also distinguished themselves from the more egalitarian racial program of abolitionism. Most Republicans accepted the principles of the Declaration of Independence as assuring black people certain rights now and, perhaps also, as ultimate goals to be fully realized sometime in the future. But they disavowed measures that would immediately bring about true equality between the races. Lincoln, who may have been somewhat more conservative than the core of his party, declared himself against equal rights in voting and officeholding, and he advocated the colonization of blacks to lands outside the United States, an idea that was anathema to abolitionists. Southerners, however, hardly distinguished between the different antislavery and racial views of the Republicans and abolitionists.
The Republican Party's opposition to the expansion of slavery, therefore, encompassed a distinctive moral protest against slavery itself, but also contained, at least for many Republicans, a racial concern that the territories be reserved primarily for free white people. In addition, the Republican mainstream associated a free labor society with economic opportunity, hard work, upward mobility, liberty, morality, and other essential elements of a true republic. Slavery, on the other hand, was associated with economic backwardness, aristocracy, violence, illiteracy, intemperance, and immorality. Worse yet, Republicans viewed slavery as an aggressive institution, whose leaders, in alliance with sympathetic northerners, were conspiring to spread this cancer throughout the nation. This idea of a "Slave Power Conspiracy," which Lincoln boldly proclaimed in his "House Divided" speech to the Illinois Republican convention in June 1858, identified the party with democratic ideals and provided a shorthand expression of northern resentment against the South's political clout. Although a minority section, the South had disproportionate influence in national politics, and frequently scuttled measures desired by many northerners, such as higher tariffs to protect manufacturing, or homestead legislation to provide free land for western settlers.
AI overview:
Arguments for Lincoln being a white supremacist
- Lincoln supported white supremacy in debates with Stephen A. Douglas
- Lincoln opposed granting civil and political rights to Black people
- Lincoln supported the fugitive slave law and laws that prevented Black people from voting, holding office, and intermarrying with white people
- Lincoln believed that the physical difference between Black and white people would prevent the two races from living together
Most 'abolitionists' were in fact white nationalists, and wanted to ship them all back to Africa. The Republican Party's platform in 1860 was a white nationalist platform. It was not just against slavery in the new territories, it was against all black migration outside of the South.
The key to the Republican Party's success was its position on slavery. It opposed the expansion of slavery and called upon Congress to take measures, whenever necessary, to prevent its extension. It condemned slavery as an immoral institution, a relic of "barbarism," and most Republicans thought that by confining slavery within its present boundaries, the institution would be placed on the road to eventual extinction. The party was, therefore, a genuine anti-slavery party, but most Republicans rejected a more radical stand that would associate them with abolitionism. The party, for example, upheld the constitutional sanctity of slavery within the South, and a significant minority (including Lincoln) were willing to support a constitutional amendment forever guaranteeing against congressional interference with slavery in the states. Republicans also acknowledged the legitimacy of the fugitive slave clause of the Constitution and accepted its enforcement by proper laws. Republicans, therefore, separated themselves from abolitionists who agitated for a quicker, immediate, end to slavery, and the adoption of measures, such as the emancipation of slaves in the nation's capital, which would render slavery insecure in its present boundaries.
At the same time, moderate Republicans also distinguished themselves from the more egalitarian racial program of abolitionism. Most Republicans accepted the principles of the Declaration of Independence as assuring black people certain rights now and, perhaps also, as ultimate goals to be fully realized sometime in the future. But they disavowed measures that would immediately bring about true equality between the races. Lincoln, who may have been somewhat more conservative than the core of his party, declared himself against equal rights in voting and officeholding, and he advocated the colonization of blacks to lands outside the United States, an idea that was anathema to abolitionists. Southerners, however, hardly distinguished between the different antislavery and racial views of the Republicans and abolitionists.
The Republican Party's opposition to the expansion of slavery, therefore, encompassed a distinctive moral protest against slavery itself, but also contained, at least for many Republicans, a racial concern that the territories be reserved primarily for free white people. In addition, the Republican mainstream associated a free labor society with economic opportunity, hard work, upward mobility, liberty, morality, and other essential elements of a true republic. Slavery, on the other hand, was associated with economic backwardness, aristocracy, violence, illiteracy, intemperance, and immorality. Worse yet, Republicans viewed slavery as an aggressive institution, whose leaders, in alliance with sympathetic northerners, were conspiring to spread this cancer throughout the nation. This idea of a "Slave Power Conspiracy," which Lincoln boldly proclaimed in his "House Divided" speech to the Illinois Republican convention in June 1858, identified the party with democratic ideals and provided a shorthand expression of northern resentment against the South's political clout. Although a minority section, the South had disproportionate influence in national politics, and frequently scuttled measures desired by many northerners, such as higher tariffs to protect manufacturing, or homestead legislation to provide free land for western settlers.
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