Who Is Trump Indebted TO????

LV426 said:
Right, but you don't know to whom Trump owes his debt...and we know it's not a reputable US bank.

So thinking critically, to whom could he owe that to, if no reputable bank will touch him?
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What is your evidence no reputable bank will touch him? During what years did he accumulate this debt? These are important questions.

It could be real estate investors who have his properties as collateral. A consortium of business investors. Political supporters.

We are neither one informed enough about financing to know the possibilities.
 
Flash said:
I'm sure there are many lenders that are not banks.
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Yeah, like mobsters and loansharks.


And, what is your evidence U. S. and foreign banks will not lend him money?
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American banks don't support Drumpf — voters soon won't either
Deutsche Bank is an exception. The big German bank became Drumpf's lifeline after U.S. lenders turned against him following a string of hotel and casino bankruptcies in the 1990s.
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...ks-dont-support-trump-voters-soon-wont-either

Deutsch Bank is also the same bank Putin's Oligarchs use, as do rogue regimes like Iran and North Korea. Saudi Arabia funneled money to Al Qaeda and ISIS through Deustch Bank too. Oh, and the drug dealers and cartels. They use Deutsch.

But the thing is, Deutsch is the only lender we know about. The rest are "undisclosed". So if a terrorists' bank is the only bank who will loan Trump money, and it's not all the money loaned to him, there must be other sources of lending. Who those sources are? Can't be anyone good.

FYI - Deutsch Bank went full Nazi during Hitler's regime, aryan-izing banking by seizing over 300 Jewish businesses.


We have to know certain basic facts before critical thinking can lead us to logical conclusions.
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Flash, you already know those basic facts because they're in the NYT article; Trump owes billions to "undisclosed lenders". Half a billion of which is due in two years.
 
Flash said:
I said saying he is a puppet of China lacks the same basic information as implying Trump owes loan sharks and is a security risk. They are both irresponsible charges and pure speculation..
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Except that there's nothing in Biden's financial records to cause that concern, is there? Why? Because he released his taxes.

Trump hasn't released his taxes, but the NYT got a hold of them. They can't publish them because of confidentiality. So really, the onus is on Trump now to prove his wealth.
 
Flash said:
Because I can't prove you are faithful to your spouse does not mean you cheat.
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Yeah, thing is, there's nothing to indicate that Biden is a puppet of China because we see his taxes.

So how are you drawing an equalivence here?

Biden: No loans from China, taxes released
Trump: Loans from WHO KNOWS, taxes not released

These are the same thing to you?
 
Flash said:
What is your evidence no reputable bank will touch him?
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There was a rule that US banks put in place in the 1990's called "The Donald Risk".

I shit you not, this was an actual thing in US Finance:

In the 1990's, according to The Moscow Project, "Drumpf found himself $3.4 billion in debt, $832.5 million for which he was personally liable. The Drumpf Shuttle, Drumpf Plaza Hotel, Drumpf Regency Hotel, and Drumpf Castle Casino lose a combined total of over $165 million. Drumpf defaults on Drumpf Shuttle debt, and turns it over to creditors." Subsequently, U.S. banks cut him off, citing "the Donald risk."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-trump-russia-deals-20180123-story.html

Deutsche Bank’s ties to Donald Drumpf
Deutsche backed Mr Drumpf in 1998 despite his history of defaults, and continued to finance his companies even after 2008 when he refused to pay back a loan and sued the bank.
https://www.ft.com/content/efbc8fd4-99a5-11ea-8b5b-63f7c5c86bef


It could be real estate investors who have his properties as collateral.
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So then he doesn't have any wealth since his assets are all tied up as collateral to ambiguous "investors".


It could be real estate investors who have his properties as collateral. A consortium of business investors. Political supporters.
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What you are describing right here is exactly the opposite of the argument you were making earlier about how money doesn't influence policy.

So if those people have leverage over Trump, isn't that bad??? Isn't that a security risk???? You couldn't get a job at the FBI if you have debts like that. You can't even get a job in corporate finance if you have debts like that.


We are neither one informed enough about financing to know the possibilities.
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No. YOU aren't informed. I AM. That's the difference here.

What you described above is the worst case nightmare scenario...that the President is beholden to "a consortium of business investors" who have "invested" over a billion dollars into him, PERSONALLY.

That's the rub...these aren't business loans. THESE ARE PERSONAL LOANS.

Why would they do that? LEVERAGE.

Imagine being able to leverage POTUS over half a billion dollars.

That might explain why he's so in love with Russia...because they are the "business consortium". We already know that because Trump signed a letter of intent to license his brand to Trump Tower Moscow.
 
Flash said:
What is your evidence no reputable bank will touch him?
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The Donald Risk


During what years did he accumulate this debt?
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Beginning in 1998 with Deutsch Bank.

Who he then sued in 2008 because HE refused to pay back his loans.

Then Anthony Kennedy's son extended him another line of credit from Deutsch.

Then Anthony Kennedy retired from SCOTUS.

QED.


These are important questions.
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Yes, they are. But the more important question is; can you think critically when you get these answers? I'm guessing no. I'm guessing you'll try to set a goalpost or move a parameter so you can convince yourself that what Trump is doing is normal.

It's not normal.
 
anatta said:
Trump is owned by da Russians!
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That would explain why you defend him here.

That would also explain why you have used EXCLUSIVELY Russian Active Measures in this forum for the past year.

That would also explain why you had to lie about getting an unsolicited mail-in ballot.
 
LV426 said:
Yeah, like mobsters and loansharks.
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"President Donald Trump had personal liabilities of at least $315.6 million to German, U.S. and other lenders as of mid-2017, according to a federal financial disclosure form released late on Friday by the U.S. Office of Government Ethics.

Trump reported income of at least $594 million for 2016 and early 2017 and assets worth at least $1.4 billion. (bit.ly/2sah0ZM)

The 98-page disclosure document posted on the ethics office’s website showed liabilities for Trump of at least $130 million to Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas [DBKGK.UL], a unit of German-based Deutsche Bank AG.

For example, Trump disclosed a liability to Deutsche exceeding $50 million for the Old Post Office, a historic Washington property where he has opened a hotel.

Trump reported liabilities of at least $110 million to Ladder Capital Corp , a commercial real estate lender with offices in New York, Los Angeles and Boca Raton, Florida."

Go here for a list of (1) positions held; (2) assets and income; (3) liabilities

https://oge.app.box.com/s/kz4qvbdsbcfrzq16msuo4zmth6rerh1c

Creditors:
Ladder Capital Finance
Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas
The Bank of New York Mellon Trust Company
Investors Savings Bank
Amboy Bank
Chevy Chase Trust Holdings, Inc
Royal Bank America
UBS Real Estate Investments Inc
Merrill Lynch Credit Corporation
Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC
 
LV426 said:
That would explain why you defend him here.

That would also explain why you have used EXCLUSIVELY Russian Active Measures in this forum for the past year.

That would also explain why you had to lie about getting an unsolicited mail-in ballot.
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Now we know why people leave a party in droves when you show up.
"Oh god not HIM again with that same old boring shit"
 
Flash said:
"President Donald Trump had personal liabilities of at least $315.6 million to German, U.S. and other lenders as of mid-2017, according to a federal financial disclosure form released late on Friday by the U.S. Office of Government Ethics.

Trump reported income of at least $594 million for 2016 and early 2017 and assets worth at least $1.4 billion. (bit.ly/2sah0ZM)

The 98-page disclosure document posted on the ethics office’s website showed liabilities for Trump of at least $130 million to Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas [DBKGK.UL], a unit of German-based Deutsche Bank AG.

For example, Trump disclosed a liability to Deutsche exceeding $50 million for the Old Post Office, a historic Washington property where he has opened a hotel.

Trump reported liabilities of at least $110 million to Ladder Capital Corp , a commercial real estate lender with offices in New York, Los Angeles and Boca Raton, Florida."

Go here for a list of (1) positions held; (2) assets and income; (3) liabilities

https://oge.app.box.com/s/kz4qvbdsbcfrzq16msuo4zmth6rerh1c

Creditors:
Ladder Capital Finance
Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas
The Bank of New York Mellon Trust Company
Investors Savings Bank
Amboy Bank
Chevy Chase Trust Holdings, Inc
Royal Bank America
UBS Real Estate Investments Inc
Merrill Lynch Credit Corporation
Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC
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Right, that's as of mid-2017.

What about 2018-today?
 
anatta said:
Now we know why people leave a party in droves when you show up.
"Oh god not HIM again with that same old boring shit"
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You might think it's boring, but it's not to me.

I'm fascinated by your compulsion to defend him in bad faith.

Trump lied to your face about COVID and you believed him.

In fact, you carried his lies for him.

Trump may be gone one day, but the stink he left on you will last for your lifetime.
 
LV426 said:
Right, that's as of mid-2017.

What about 2018-today?
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This is the answer to your question of "who would lend him money?". American banks and others obviously did.

That is from the link you provided. You can probably find updated reports. I provided the creditors and now you change the goal post. Do you have any reason to believe there have been large loans since 2017?
 
Flash said:
These are important questions.
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There is a reason that Romney released 10 years of tax records... No not the recent Romney, but his father. With 10 years of tax records, you can answer all these important questions. Yes, these are very important questions, that need to be answered about the president. Sadly, trump has been covering up the answer to them.
 
Flash said:
Trump's creditors:

https://oge.app.box.com/s/kz4qvbdsbc...uo4zmth6rerh1c

Creditors:
Ladder Capital Finance
Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas
The Bank of New York Mellon Trust Company
Investors Savings Bank
Amboy Bank
Chevy Chase Trust Holdings, Inc
Royal Bank America
UBS Real Estate Investments Inc
Merrill Lynch Credit Corporation
Chicago Unit Acquisition LLC
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A lot of those aren't American banks.

In fact, none of them are American banks.
 
LV426 said:
A lot of those aren't American banks.

In fact, none of them are American banks.
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Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post

“It happened all over PM, Earl. We set a time, then he PM'd me to say he wasn't going to show up. Since then, I've ignored him because he and I both know that he was the one who didn't follow through.”

If this is true, you are releasing PM information which is a violation of the TOS of JPP.

So, you are either a liar or in violation of the TOS of JPP., cobarde.
 
LV426 said:
A lot of those aren't American banks.

In fact, none of them are American banks.
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Nobody ever claimed they were American banks. It was posted to answer the question of who Trump owes money.

It was available from public documents online for all those not too lazy to check. It is easier to speculate about undisclosed loan sharks, mafia, and oligarchs than to do some research which had a link from the article you published.
 
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