Who Is Trump Indebted TO????

Flash said:
Forbes
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And they get their info from...Trump.


I said no such thing--you are making stuff up again. I said none of us have any clue who lent him the money or whether it is a security problem. That puts us in the same boat. We don't know and can't do anything about it.
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The fact that he owes billions in debt is one issue.

The fact that debt compromises him is another issue.

We know that debt isn't owed to US banks. So if a foreign or private entity is loaning Trump money, that's a major national security risk.

Because these aren't business loans...these are personal loans.

You might have an argument if it was on the business side, but it's not. Trump Organization is another beast entirely. These are personal loans.


Different from any of the other smoking guns Democratic posters were sure were going to destroy Drumpf. Just drama.
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These do destroy Trump...the problem is he has people like you bothsidesing it into irrelevance because you need to maintain a facade of bOtHsIdErIsm to cover for the fact that you have no sincere convictions or beliefs of your own.

The President of the United States personally owes billions to "undisclosed lenders", with much of it coming due before the end of 2022.
 
Flash said:
Not sure. I'm glad I don't have to worry about repaying his debts. He seems to always wiggle out of it somehow.
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He is POTUS and his personal debts compromise his office.

This is compounded by the fact that the lenders are "undisclosed". We know they're not US banks. So who are they? Who would loan Trump money when no US bank would?
 
LV426 said:
These do destroy Trump...the problem is he has people like you bothsidesing it into irrelevance because you need to maintain a facade of bOtHsIdErIsm.

I don't make it any less relevant than you do. I just don't panic over something for which I have no real evidence.

It is not any more relevant to you than to me. You just yell about it more and act like you know something more about it than others.

Just like your claim Trump is going to cancel the election, it is based on faulty logic, fear-mongering, misinformation, and being a drama queen.
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Flash said:
It is not any more relevant to you than to me. You just yell about it more and act like you know something more about it than others.
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The fact that the President of the United States personally owes billions in loans is relevant to all of us.

Specifically because we don't know to whom he owes all that money.

We know it's not a US bank because no US bank will loan him money.

So that means the loans come from foreign banks OR private individual lenders.

What I'm doing here, Flash, is called critical thinking and it's something you simply don't do because it requires work and effort, and you're lazy.
 
Flash said:
Just like your claim Trump is going to cancel the election, it is based on faulty logic, fear-mongering, misinformation, and being a drama queen.
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Well, he certainly tried, didn't he?

And how are you making a leap from that, to the NYT report that shows Trump is broke and indebted to who knows?

Why not just say you're lazy, and save us all the effort of having to drag it out of you in your responses?
 
LV426 said:
So then explain this:
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It is no more likely to end Trump's presidency than collusion, Stormy, Mueller, emoluments, impeachment, delaying the election, and others that all the Democratic posters said would "really get him this time."
 
Flash said:
Just like your claim Trump is going to cancel the election, it is based on faulty logic, fear-mongering, misinformation, and being a drama queen.
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What is the faulty logic with regard to Trump's debts? Explain that, cause I don't see it.

What is the "fear-mongering" with regard to Trump's debts? Explain that, too. Because if you think critically about it, you'll realize that debt isn't owed to any bank you know of. So, thinking critically, from where could Trump have gotten billions in loans, if he can't get them from US banks?

Seriously, that's not a rhetorical question. This is your big chance to do some critical thinking. Why do I have the feeling you're going to fuck it up?

What is the "misinformation" with regard to Trump's debts? You need to explain that too, because you're basically calling the NYT liars. Is that your position?

And I'm being dramatic about the fact that the President has billions in personal debt?

Remind me, which of us two is the person who always screeches and whines about debt, and how terrible it is, and how deficits are awful, and how you shouldn't spend more than you make?

Oh right, YOU. YOU HAVE THAT POSITION. YOU DO THAT SCREECHING.

It's funny how the moment that discussion gets to Trump, suddenly you don't want to rush to conclusions or be a drama queen.

You're the one who spent DOZENS OF POSTS whining about government debt and debt obligations as a percentage of government spending.

But those aren't issues for you when it comes to the guy sitting in the White House, with billions owed to...loan sharks. Then, you just shrug and take Trump's word for it that he's wealthy.

Did you also believe him when he said COVID was "just the sniffles"?
 
Flash said:
It is no more likely to end Trump's presidency than collusion, Stormy, Mueller, emoluments, impeachment, delaying the election, and others that all the Democratic posters said would "really get him this time."
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The only reason it isn't is because you don't treat it with the same seriousness you treat other trivial topics...like the national debt.

I'm old enough to remember you saying that the national debt was a major problem.

So why is it a major problem for the country to have national debt, but not a major problem for the President to have personal debts in excess of $1B?

Aren't you one of the people who say that "China owns us" because they hold some of our debt?

Well, for Trump's billions of debt, we don't even know the entity, government, or person who holds it.

But that's not a serious thing for you...no, the national debt, which never has to be paid off...THAT is a big issue for you. Got it.
 
LV426 said:
What is the faulty logic with regard to Trump's debts? Explain that, cause I don't see it.

What is the "fear-mongering" with regard to Trump's debts? Explain that, too. Because if you think critically about it, you'll realize that debt isn't owed to any bank you know of. So, thinking critically, from where could Trump have gotten billions in loans, if he can't get them from US banks?
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Faulty logic is assuming that because we don't know who loaned him the money it must be an evil source who can blackmail him and cause security issues.

You are confusing speculation and possibilities with any real evidence.

Your logic told you that because 1) Trump had questioned mail-in ballots and 2) canceled some primaries meant he was going to cancel the election. A speculation but not logic based on any real evidence. Even after you admitted I was right that some states automatically cancel primaries if there is no opponent you still claim the election will be cancelled.

I have criticized federal debt because of its size. I know who we owe it to and don't worry about blackmail. Because I worry about the nation's debt does not mean I care that much about Trump's debt.
 
Flash said:
Did the NYT say the loans were to shady figures who would use it to blackmail him? Like "oligarchs"?
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No, what they said was even worse...

That it's to "undisclosed lenders".

That could literally mean individual people. It could mean oligarchs, yes. It could also mean heads of state. It could also mean human traffickers. It could also mean gangsters. It could also mean terrorists.

Trump could literally be on the hook for a loan to Iran, for instance, and we have no idea.

A guy like Trump, who can't get loans from US banks, would need to get loans from somewhere.

So if US banks won't touch him, what does that mean for his options? Where would he need to go to get a loan?

Use critical thinking skills, as these aren't rhetorical questions.
 
LV426 said:
No, what they said was even worse...

That it's to "undisclosed lenders".

That could literally mean individual people. It could mean oligarchs, yes. It could also mean heads of state. It could also mean human traffickers. It could also mean gangsters. It could also mean terrorists.
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It COULD if we really think of the worst. Biden COULD be a Chinese puppet if we believe Trump, but there is no evidence.
 
Flash said:
Faulty logic is assuming that because we don't know who loaned him the money it must be an evil source who can blackmail him and cause security issues.
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So Flash, if you think critically about this...since no US bank will loan him money, and since many foreign banks won't either (following the US banks' lead), who is left to loan him money?
 
Flash said:
It COULD if we really think of the worst. Biden COULD be a Chinese puppet if we believe Trump, but there is no evidence.
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OK, but it's the NYT that is saying Trump has these debts...so maybe deal with that instead of going after Biden, who did release his tax returns and shows no "undisclosed lenders".
 
LV426 said:
So Flash, if you think critically about this...since no US bank will loan him money, and since many foreign banks won't either (following the US banks' lead), who is left to loan him money?
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I'm sure there are many lenders that are not banks. And, what is your evidence U. S. and foreign banks will not lend him money?
We have to know certain basic facts before critical thinking can lead us to logical conclusions.
 
Flash said:
I have criticized federal debt because of its size. I know who we owe it to and don't worry about blackmail. Because I worry about the nation's debt does not mean I care that much about Trump's debt.
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Right, but you don't know to whom Trump owes his debt...and we know it's not a reputable US bank.

So thinking critically, to whom could he owe that to, if no reputable bank will touch him?
 
LV426 said:
OK, but it's the NYT that is saying Trump has these debts...so maybe deal with that instead of going after Biden, who did release his tax returns and shows no "undisclosed lenders".
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Read carefully. I did not "go after" Biden. I said saying he is a puppet of China lacks the same basic information as implying Trump owes loan sharks and is a security risk. They are both irresponsible charges and pure speculation.

Because I can't prove you are faithful to your spouse does not mean you cheat.
 
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