Why China will clean our clocks.

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Mathematicians set Chinese test
Maths enthusiasts are being challenged to answer a sample question from Chinese university entrance tests.

The tests are set for prospective science undergraduates.

The UK's Royal Society of Chemistry is offering a £500 prize to one lucky but bright person who answers the question below correctly.

It has also published a test used in a "well known and respected" English university - the society is not naming it - to assess the strength of incoming science undergraduates' maths skills.

Try the two tests

A glance at the two questions reveals how much more advanced is the maths teaching in China, where children learn the subject up to the age of 18, the society says.


Schools and students are reluctant to consider A-level mathematics to age 18, because the subject is regarded as difficult
Richard Pike

Pupils 'urged to drop maths'
Science undergraduates in England are likely not to have studied maths beyond GCSE level at the age of 16, it says.

It has sounded a warning about Britain's future economic prospects which it claims are threatened by competition from scientists in China.

RSC chief executive Richard Pike says mathematics is seen as integral to the sciences in China and its economy.

"There, the concept of remedial courses at university would be inconceivable.

"UK chemistry departments are often world-renowned for their creativity; however, mathematics tests set in England by many universities for undergraduate chemistry students in their first term to diagnose remedial requirements are disconcertingly simple.

"They encapsulate the challenge facing this country," says Dr Pike.

But a maths professor in England, William Shaw, has said the emphasis in mathematics teaching varies from country to country and the RSC's attack is "nonsense".

Anyone wishing to enter the competition should go to the RSC website and send the correct answer by Friday 27 April to be included in a prize draw.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6589301.stm
 
1/3 ?


Heck we teach stuff that was appropriate 30 years ago but not now....
That is conservative education ;)
All children left behind in the global race.
 
I can still do it, but probably not within the time limit given. Question 1 is not well stated (probably trasnlatin error), but I know what they want.

I'm going to try it just for fun.
 
Yeah but are you in high school ? This is pre college entrance stuff.

I know the answer can't be 1/3 because they don't exist. I have that on good authority from a guy with several degrees :rolleyes:
 
I solved the problems and provided the proofs. It took an hour and a half, which includes the time I took to put my son to bed, two bottles of beer (and an obligatory 'biology' break), and I showed two proofs for parts (i) and (ii), but not (iii).

If anyone really wants me to show the proofs, I will attempt to transcribe the math into something legible.
 
Good Job Trog. Been to long for me on the Chinese one, would have had to pull the books out.

I trust that the point of the thread is well made now ?
 
uscitizen said:
Good Job Trog. Been to long for me on the Chinese one, would have had to pull the books out.

I trust that the point of the thread is well made now ?
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Oh.

(giving a dumb look)...

I was talking about the English school quiz. (JOKE)


Yes, the point is somewhat made, but the Chinese system is different. They only send the best and brightest to University, and their population is so huge, that they only seat the top few percent of students. So the populations considered by these tests are very different.
 
Yes and I think we should have to raise our qualifying entrance exams for college as well.

That is part of my point.
College is not for everyone. We need an assortment of schools for all skillsets and matching them as well as possible to our peoples capabilities.
Our goal should not necessarially be to get everyone thru college, we have just diluted the level of our cirriculum in going in that direction.
 
uscitizen said:
Yes and I think we should have to raise our qualifying entrance exams for college as well.

That is part of my point.
College is not for everyone. We need an assortment of schools for all skillsets and matching them as well as possible to our peoples capabilities.
Our goal should not necessarially be to get everyone thru college, we have just diluted the level of our cirriculum in going in that direction.
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Here's some weirdness from my (admittedly limited) personal experiences - In group projects, Americans (children of the Society of the Individual) tend to work together better (more productive use of time, less strife, and more focus on the end goal) than the Chinese (children of the Collective Society).
 
Excellent Point!

uscitizen said:
Yes and I think we should have to raise our qualifying entrance exams for college as well.

That is part of my point.
College is not for everyone. We need an assortment of schools for all skillsets and matching them as well as possible to our peoples capabilities.
Our goal should not necessarially be to get everyone thru college, we have just diluted the level of our cirriculum in going in that direction.
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Our school system and government needs to focus on getting back to trade schools and technical schools for those who are inclined for the semi-skilled jobs which are essential for our countries well being...not everyone (in any society) is College material...if we do this we will not have a need for ' illegal immigration'...for non and semi-skilled workers! It worked quite well back in the day...when our production lines were filled with semi-skilled workers...
 
I am not saying go to a collective society mentality. Just suctom tune education based on abilities.
Al;so raise the levels we teach at to stay competetitive in the world.
I have seen many wasted degrees in my life. Most of them cost tax money as well.
Heck I think toby had 3 or 4 and Dix had at least 3 I think. Talk about wasted.

On the Chinese solving problems, well I spent some time over there and they are sizzlin. They are going to fry our bacon for us if we don't watch out. Same for India.
 
How so very true...

BA's and Ma's and some PHD's are totally usless...we need technical skills that could be taught at a lower yet more productive level AS,BS anyone?
 
They're not going to clean our clocks, simply due to the superiority of point to point networks with equally powerful nodes. This is what we might call individual freedom in a political context. We just cannot let ourselves fall to fascism and tyranny, and we must stop FAVORING china in trade relations, by abandoning our historical aversion to slavery and allowing them to devalue their currency.
 
They're not going to clean our clocks, simply due to the superiority of point to point networks with equally powerful nodes. This is what we might call individual freedom in a political context. We just cannot let ourselves fall to fascism and tyranny, and we must stop FAVORING china in trade relations, by abandoning our historical aversion to slavery and allowing them to devalue their currency.
 
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ROTFLMAO

Really a good one there, so our strength as a nation is in our nodes ?
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It's our social structure, individualism, where genius and good ideas will be implemented, regardless of the social GROUP status of the individual who has them.
 
you guys are tools
Let me educate you fools yet again

what do you guys think the average income in China is per capita, quickly now.

Our college education system is the best in the world by far, why greed we have the highest paying college graduate salary in the world by 50% to second place.

Greed is good. Who said it?:clink:
 
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