Why Do Republicans Oppose A Public Healthcare Option?

Health Care produces fantastic profits for Shareholders. It's right up there with Technology Stocks. Why give that up?
 
Michael_Panetta said:
Some people can only afford healthcare through work. Many Americans are unemployed now and their families are without healthcare.
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Yeah. But if little Johnny breaks his arm, the unemployed will find a way to come up with the Money. (This is very lucrative Michael. I don't understand why you have any questions about this)
 
Michael_Panetta said:
Why?
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"Over $7.8 trillion is spent on healthcare globally. Nearly half of that total -- $3.5 trillion -- is spent in the U.S. With the healthcare sector growing significantly faster than the overall global economy, these numbers will almost certainly be much bigger by the end of the decade."
https://www.fool.com/investing/stock-market/market-sectors/healthcare/

"Everybody needs healthcare. Or at least they will need it at some point in their lives. And when there’s something that everyone needs, there’s a huge opportunity for investors."

Michael. I'm afraid you are under the impression that 'Health Care' is actually about ... health care.
 
Because everything the government touches turns to shit. Why give up the best health care system on the planet in favor of a system that benefits the elite only? Why do you assume the Canucks line up for life saving procedures in the United States when they supposedly have FREE health care? Take for instance in the year 2014.....over 50 thousand Canadian citizens choose to go to other nations and pay for treatments rather than be put on a waiting list for treatment in Canada. I'd wager that the PM of Canada would not have to wait for a hip replacement if needed.....more than likely he'd go to the Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic.

There is an ole axiom. You get what you pay for....... there is no such animal as FREE HEALTHCARE.....someone has to pay even for socialized medical treatment. Take for instance the VA system......it cost the US TAX PAYER 80 Billion a year with the tax payer footing the bill for a total of 1.2 Trillion on all its socialized medical treatment such as Medicare....etc.,

As of right now the Governments of the US collect over 7 Trillion every year from THE PEOPLE. If you can't run a government on 7 trillion a year and continue to take off your hat and beg for MORE SOUP PLEASE.......you don't deserve the protection of a Republic like the United States of America.

Even at the highest rate of taxes........the democrats are planning, the total collected each year would amount to less than 10 trillion a year........hell if every US citizen was placed on socialized medical care that's all the US could afford even if they taxed the richest people in the US at 100%. The democrats want to spend 32 Trillion a decade just on socialized medicine. Together will all the other FREE SHIT promised that would total over 50Trillion dollars....what's left for protection, infrastructure...etc. with the US already 25 Trillion in debt. Simply paying the interest on this outstanding debt each year amounts to over the estimated Gross National Product.

THAT WHY socialism of any kind is simply a historical disaster waiting to happen. Name one successful Socialized Nation. Russia? Cuba? Greece? Spain? And the blueprint the democrats seem to be following VENEZUELA. And don't say the Netherlands as their leaders have stated their nations REMAIN a free market economy based system.

WHO Knew that FREE SHIT could cost so much? :dunno::readit:

www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democratic-socialism-free/
 
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Let's see:

Unwanted and useless coverage
Lack of coverage for what you really need
The cost
Poor response times
Long wait times
Declining quality of care
Red tape
Endless infuriating paperwork
Irresponsible bureaucrats
Incompetent medical providers

There's really a nearly endless list of reasons you wouldn't want the government running your health care.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Let's see:

Unwanted and useless coverage
Lack of coverage for what you really need
The cost
Poor response times
Long wait times
Declining quality of care
Red tape
Endless infuriating paperwork
Irresponsible bureaucrats
Incompetent medical providers

There's really a nearly endless list of reasons you wouldn't want the government running your health care.
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And let's not forget no more new innovations nor R&D
 
Healthcare at work used to be quite comprehensive. It has been chamfered away year after year. Now the employee kick ins are growing.. The coverage is worse. The employee contributions are bigger and bigger. The trend is clear. We need to get off this merrygoround and have universal healthcare.
This is not new. FDR wanted universal healthcare because he saw what for profit medicine would do. He instead installed Social Security. I am sure he thought we were bright enough to get it installed in the near future.
We are the only industrialized nation without it. We pay double and get much less and leave millions of Americans with no healthcare.
Corona has shown the danger of leaving people without healthcare in a pandemic.
 
Michael_Panetta said:
Why?
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1. Moral opposition to the government redistributing wealth. We the People don't want that.
2. The government is eggregiously inefficient. Just look at Canada ... nothing is ever available ... wait times are measured in years ... Canadians with means come to the US for their healthcare ... because they can ... because we don't have socialized medicine ... ergo medical and healthcare is still available here.
3. Doctors and not the government should decide what the patient needs and ultimately gets.
4. Government bean counters should not be forming into death panels that override what a doctor deems necessary.

There are more, of course but this list should suffice.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
All anyone has to do is serve in the military to know what your "free," public, government run healthcare will be like.
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yes, all my friends who have an option of VA or Medicare use the VA. Medicare users are quite pleased with their care. The VA is rated even higher. The VA and Medicare both are trying to get you well and provide ways to stay healthy. VA docs are salary and do not get paid by the procedure. They spend more time with you and want to get you healthy and not coming back.
 
Nordberg said:
yes, all my friends who have an option of VA or Medicare use the VA. Medicare users are quite pleased with their care. The VA is rated even higher. The VA and Medicare both are trying to get you well and provide ways to stay healthy. VA docs are salary and do not get paid by the procedure. They spend more time with you and want to get you healthy and not coming back.
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Everybody I know--and being a veteran I know quite a few other veterans-- that has an option other than the VA, like health insurance etc., avoids the VA like the plague. Even those that use it call it "medical care of last resort." My wife is now on Medicare. She hates it. She has to get referrals where she didn't before. They've screwed up payments repeatedly in the roughly year and a half she's been on it.
Now, if you have to choose between VA and Medicare on a limited budget--like you were stupid enough to reach retirement age and all you have is Social Security--then the VA is a better choice on the basis of cost (its free versus you pay some on Medicare) but that's it. The quality of VA care is very much hit and miss and mostly miss.

The VA also has long wait times, and anything not routine is really almost a throw of the dice if you'll get good care or not.

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/poor-health-care-for-veterans/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougsc...g-a-broken-va-healthcare-system/#50080bcb5f45

One of the worst VA hospitals is right here in Phoenix where I live. Not a chance I'd use it as anything other than having ZERO other options.

https://cv4a.org/six-years-after-phoenix-scandal-fight-veterans-health-care-continues/
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...der-firing-negligence-health-care/1949961001/
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/06/10/what-led-to-the-veterans-affairs-scandal

The VA system is very much hit and miss. There are some good facilities, a lot of so-so to mediocre ones, and some really bad ones (like Phoenix). This is almost an inevitability of the VA being a large government bureaucracy.
 
IBDaMann said:
1. Moral opposition to the government redistributing wealth. We the People don't want that.
2. The government is eggregiously inefficient. Just look at Canada ... nothing is ever available ... wait times are measured in years ... Canadians with means come to the US for their healthcare ... because they can ... because we don't have socialized medicine ... ergo medical and healthcare is still available here.
3. Doctors and not the government should decide what the patient needs and ultimately gets.
4. Government bean counters should not be forming into death panels that override what a doctor deems necessary.

There are more, of course but this list should suffice.
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Bingo!
 
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