Why Do Republicans Oppose A Public Healthcare Option?

[Nordberg]

Even the uninsured in the US get healthcare treatment when they need it. Preventative care has been shown to have little effect on outcomes because the great bulk of it finds nothing. What you list are exceptions, not the rule.

No, they do not. Millions do not have health coverage, so they walk around with no healthcare at all. When they get too sick to continue, they go to an emergency. That is very expensive and way too late. We have millions with diabetes who do not get health monitoring. Many are not getting healthcare because employers do not provide it. Many workers are living on luck. It will run out.
Hospital emergency has to provide min. coverage to stabilize them. Then they send them home.

 

[canceled.2021.3]

Why?

Because I want the government out of healthcare.

I want ALL Americans to have excellent healthcare and the only way to accomplish that is get the gobblement out of the way and allow the free market to work.

Cue your bullshit lame excuses and tired arguments.

Question asked and answered. So go fuck yourself

 

[canceled.2021.3]

Some people can only afford healthcare through work. Many Americans are unemployed now and their families are without healthcare.

So buy it for them if you care so much

Just pick one family and pay their healthcare

Imagine if each of you leftists actually did that instead of outsourcing your alleged compassion?

 

[canceled.2021.3]

We need a government option alongside private healthcare insurance companies, paid for partly by tax dollars and partly by the customer.

No

 

[canceled.2021.3]

Healthcare at work used to be quite comprehensive. It has been chamfered away year after year. Now the employee kick ins are growing.. The coverage is worse. The employee contributions are bigger and bigger. The trend is clear. We need to get off this merrygoround and have universal healthcare.
This is not new. FDR wanted universal healthcare because he saw what for profit medicine would do. He instead installed Social Security. I am sure he thought we were bright enough to get it installed in the near future.
We are the only industrialized nation without it. We pay double and get much less and leave millions of Americans with no healthcare.
Corona has shown the danger of leaving people without healthcare in a pandemic.

You can thank Nobamacare

Go fuck yourself

 

[IBDaMann]

This year, an estimated 1.4 million Americans will leave the country ...

Bogus "prediction." Let's watch and see how the actual number ends up being in the tens of thousands ... of people visiting family overseas at the time.

Americans are saving money on meds by traveling to Canada.

Yep, and to Mexico too. Trump is in the process of changing that.

 

[IBDaMann]

No, they do not. Millions do not have health coverage, so they walk around with no healthcare at all.

But they CHOSE to not pay for health care insurance. Many decided "Hey, I'm healthy, I'd rather spend that money on beer and Maluma cancerts."

Insurance is risk abatement. It is gambling in reverse if you will. You pay money up front to ensure you don't have pay a crapload of money in the future. I fully support all people having the freedom to decide how they spend their money. If there is a certain type of insurance that you don't want then I fully support you not being required to pay for it.

 

[Nordberg]

But they CHOSE to not pay for health care insurance. Many decided "Hey, I'm healthy, I'd rather spend that money on beer and Maluma cancerts."

Insurance is risk abatement. It is gambling in reverse if you will. You pay money up front to ensure you don't have pay a crapload of money in the future. I fully support all people having the freedom to decide how they spend their money. If there is a certain type of insurance that you don't want then I fully support you not being required to pay for it.

Choose? Do you have any idea what healthcare costs in America? I guess not. I do not need a lesson in insurance. They take billions out of the healthcare system and do not provide a lick of healthcare. They merely agree that you can access it this time. They make more by denying care and they do.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Choose? Do you have any idea what healthcare costs in America? I guess not. I do not need a lesson in insurance. They take billions out of the healthcare system and do not provide a lick of healthcare. They merely agree that you can access it this time. They make more by denying care and they do.

so maybe we just need to eliminate insurance companies from the health care supply chain. is that what obamacare was?

 

[IBDaMann]

Choose?

Yes, you spelled it correctly ... as in to elect, to opt, to pick, etc...

Do you have any idea what healthcare costs in America?

Yes. I have a family and I have raised children. Medical, Dental and Vision all covered. Yes, in order to pay for it I had to pass on a couple of vacations to Cancún and I ate out a bit less. I just considered that coverage to be more important. But that's just me.

I do not need a lesson in insurance.

It sounds like you really do. In fact, you seem to be screaming that you are a total economics dumbass who needs an educational intervention.

They take billions out of the healthcare system and do not provide a lick of healthcare.

Define the set of "They."
Define the "healthcare system."
Where did you get your figures?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Let's see:

Unwanted and useless coverage
Lack of coverage for what you really need
The cost
Poor response times
Long wait times
Declining quality of care
Red tape
Endless infuriating paperwork
Irresponsible bureaucrats
Incompetent medical providers

There's really a nearly endless list of reasons you wouldn't want the government running your health care.

do you think insurance companies are doing a good job?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No, they do not. Millions do not have health coverage, so they walk around with no healthcare at all. When they get too sick to continue, they go to an emergency. That is very expensive and way too late. We have millions with diabetes who do not get health monitoring. Many are not getting healthcare because employers do not provide it. Many workers are living on luck. It will run out.
Hospital emergency has to provide min. coverage to stabilize them. Then they send them home.

About the same number today don't have health insurance in the US as the day Obamacare was enacted. It did nothing. Medicare for all is a call for the lowest common denominator. That is those clamoring for it are in essence saying Better mediocre coverage for everyone than good coverage for the vast majority.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

do you think insurance companies are doing a good job?

Depends on the company. Some are very good, others are pretty bad. That would be normal in a free market. Now, let me ask you a question: Do you think FEMA does a good job of handling flood insurance?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Depends on the company. Some are very good, others are pretty bad. That would be normal in a free market. Now, let me ask you a question: Do you think FEMA does a good job of handling flood insurance?

I doubt it.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

it's just that military black budgets alone could buy healthcare for all 10 times over.

 

[Survivorman]

Why?

How about "Its not in the Constitution"?

 

[Nordberg]

Bogus "prediction." Let's watch and see how the actual number ends up being in the tens of thousands ... of people visiting family overseas at the time.


Yep, and to Mexico too. Trump is in the process of changing that.

Those numbers for "medical Tourism" are the same year after year. There is an industry providing the same medical care with American trained doctors, all over the world. Lots of Southerners slip across the border for dental and cosmetic care. Lots of northerners go to Canada for prescriptions and operations. https://www.medicaltourismco.com/

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I also oppose a public Obamacare option AND Medicare for All as long term solutions because they're not enough.

We need National Health Service just like the UK's.

Anything else is a half-assed solution.

Covid 19 has proven this beyond doubt.

We're the ONLY developed nation on Earth without socialized medicine, and we've done, beyond any question, the WORST job with the pandemic.

What more proof is needed?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Yes, you spelled it correctly ... as in to elect, to opt, to pick, etc...


Yes. I have a family and I have raised children. Medical, Dental and Vision all covered. Yes, in order to pay for it I had to pass on a couple of vacations to Cancún and I ate out a bit less. I just considered that coverage to be more important. But that's just me.


It sounds like you really do. In fact, you seem to be screaming that you are a total economics dumbass who needs an educational intervention.


Define the set of "They."
Define the "healthcare system."
Where did you get your figures?

Comparted to Republicans, I'm good with all of those, motherfucker.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I doubt it.

I agree. FEMA's flood insurance response in Katrina was absolutely awful. Worse, FEMA because they lost so much paying out in the last few years for claims colluded with the USGS to redraw flood plain maps nationwide and enlarge them massively. What this resulted in was tens of thousands of new home buyers and tens of thousands more homeowners suddenly finding out that they were now magically in a flood plain where they never were before and were now required to buy flood insurance as part of their mortgage. This allowed FEMA at a single stroke to make billions in new policy payments to cover their losses.

This is the sort of thing you can expect from a national health insurance program. Since the government has no one to check them they can and will increase taxes / rates on such a program as they wish to cover costs. There will be little in the way of forcing them to be efficient or cost effective. As with Medicare and Medicaid, they can also force providers to take payments below actual costs leading to providers leaving the market and resulting in shortages and lower quality of care.