Why Do Republicans Oppose A Public Healthcare Option?

Michael_Panetta said:
Do you have a real answer?
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Because One-size-fits-all government run health care only works for the routine. You have something odd and different wrong, you are screwed. You are also screwed the second you need something the government has decided to leave out of their plan. Then there's the government deciding things on the basis of cost that allows all sorts of "little stuff" to slip through the cracks.

Ever try to follow the FAR? That's the Federal Acquisition Regulations. It would make a Ferengi proud.
 
IBDaMann said:
1. Moral opposition to the government redistributing wealth. We the People don't want that.
2. The government is eggregiously inefficient. Just look at Canada ... nothing is ever available ... wait times are measured in years ... Canadians with means come to the US for their healthcare ... because they can ... because we don't have socialized medicine ... ergo medical and healthcare is still available here.
3. Doctors and not the government should decide what the patient needs and ultimately gets.
4. Government bean counters should not be forming into death panels that override what a doctor deems necessary.

There are more, of course but this list should suffice.
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Canada pays less & lives longer, it's a no brainer.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Let's see:

Unwanted and useless coverage
Lack of coverage for what you really need
The cost
Poor response times
Long wait times
Declining quality of care
Red tape
Endless infuriating paperwork
Irresponsible bureaucrats
Incompetent medical providers

There's really a nearly endless list of reasons you wouldn't want the government running your health care.
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The USA healthcare system, is the laughing stock of the Civilized 1st World.
 
WitoldPilecki said:
Canada pays less & lives longer, it's a no brainer.
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You are in heavy denial. You repeat errors that have been pointed out and you repeat claims that have been debunked in this forum with overwhelming support.

Canada pays through the nose for massive unavailability. Canadian healthcare's logo are empty shelves from Venezuela. Canadian clinics have ordered signs that say "CLOSED" on both sides.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I might note that many Canadians come to Arizona for the winter months and while they are here travel to Mexico to get their dental care done and fill prescriptions.

https://www.dentaldepartures.com/de...&utm_term=algodones dental&utm_content=Dental

Algodones near Yuma AZ is like one big dental clinic now. It's big bucks business as they'll do the work for a fraction of what it costs in the US or Canada.
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You are wise. I think I mentioned this before.

Once upon a time I had to get some expensive medicine, ... ten "doses" at $60 per dose, i.e. $600.00. However, I was in Tucson at the time. I could fill up with gas ($40), drive down to Nogales, spend $60 to get the whole prescription filled, blow $50 on a great lunch for my wife and I and generally have a good time for an all-included package of $150.
 
IBDaMann said:
People who laugh all the way to the US to get their healthcare.

You re in denial.
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This year, an estimated 1.4 million Americans will leave the country for a medical procedure, according to Patients Beyond Borders.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mor...ated 1.4,according to Patients Beyond Borders.

Americans are saving money on meds by traveling to Canada. Here's how it works.

https://kutv.com/news/get-gephardt/americans-are-traveling-to-canada-to-save-money-on-medication
 
WitoldPilecki said:
Then, why does the 1st World & now some of the 2nd World have a higher life expectancy than the USA?

https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
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Could be any number of reasons: Genetics, diet, societal norms, climate, you-name-it. For example, if you have the FOXO gene you can expect to live longer.

https://www.geneticlifehacks.com/li...or FOXO3),to oxidative stress .[ ref ][ ref ]

Or, the rate of suicide and deaths by violence play a role. More violence, more early deaths.

So, the health care system quality in a country is not a good indicator of longevity on its own.

Or, you have the idiocy of the WHO's ranking system reprinted for clarity here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

You can note all sorts of things that give question to their methodology, such as smaller states / nations tend to perform much better on their rankings than large, populous ones.
A lot of the WHO's rankings when broken down are about "fairness" and "equality" of outcomes. That is, a nation does better on their ranking if everyone gets cheap crappy care equally than it does if the level of care varies among the population--even when the worst of that level of care is far better than the cheap crappy care of another nation.

So, ranking of nations is not so straight forward as these simplistic rating systems would make it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Could be any number of reasons: Genetics, diet, societal norms, climate, you-name-it. For example, if you have the FOXO gene you can expect to live longer.

https://www.geneticlifehacks.com/li...or FOXO3),to oxidative stress .[ ref ][ ref ]

Or, the rate of suicide and deaths by violence play a role. More violence, more early deaths.

So, the health care system quality in a country is not a good indicator of longevity on its own.

Or, you have the idiocy of the WHO's ranking system reprinted for clarity here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

You can note all sorts of things that give question to their methodology, such as smaller states / nations tend to perform much better on their rankings than large, populous ones.
A lot of the WHO's rankings when broken down are about "fairness" and "equality" of outcomes. That is, a nation does better on their ranking if everyone gets cheap crappy care equally than it does if the level of care varies among the population--even when the worst of that level of care is far better than the cheap crappy care of another nation.

So, ranking of nations is not so straight forward as these simplistic rating systems would make it.
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Canadians are largely of British Isle ethnicity & so are a lot of White Americans.

So, why are Canadians living longer?
 
WitoldPilecki said:
Maybe, because there's more uninsured in the USA?

Healthcare Insurance saves lives, because it diagnoses hypertension & pre diabetes, before they rush to the ER with a heart attack, or diabetic coma.
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Even the uninsured in the US get healthcare treatment when they need it. Preventative care has been shown to have little effect on outcomes because the great bulk of it finds nothing. What you list are exceptions, not the rule.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Even the uninsured in the US get healthcare treatment when they need it. Preventative care has been shown to have little effect on outcomes because the great bulk of it finds nothing. What you list are exceptions, not the rule.
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How do you figure that?

People will have hypertension & pre diabetes for years before it develops into a heart attack, or diabetic coma.
 
WitoldPilecki said:
How do you figure that?

People will have hypertension & pre diabetes for years before it develops into a heart attack, or diabetic coma.
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And, a relatively small proportion of the population will have either. You clog up the system testing everyone equally. That's just as true for COVID 19 testing as it is for the TSA at an airport. The first step shouldn't be preventative medicine but rather having persons screen themselves for known risk factors ahead of time.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Even the uninsured in the US get healthcare treatment when they need it. Preventative care has been shown to have little effect on outcomes because the great bulk of it finds nothing. What you list are exceptions, not the rule.
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No, they do not. Millions do not have health coverage, so they walk around with no healthcare at all. When they get too sick to continue, they go to an emergency. That is very expensive and way too late. We have millions with diabetes who do not get health monitoring. Many are not getting healthcare because employers do not provide it. Many workers are living on luck. It will run out.
Hospital emergency has to provide min. coverage to stabilize them. Then they send them home.
 
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