Why Do Trump Supporters Believe Trump's Myths?

[BattleofHodow]

Fallacy. Libertarians determine Libertarianism, not you. You do not get to define "true" libertarians.

It is true that Libertarians are against the government forcibly redistributing wealth, but Libertarians represent a very wide range of what the State can do.

You do understand the difference between the government and the State, don't you?


... for a limited government military. Many on one end of the spectrum are for unlimited personal militaries, for example.




Injecting your opinion does not make it correct. Libertarians simply oppose government regulation. They typically support every minor and major deregulation because they oppose most regulation in the first place.



You obviously think this statement carries significance. What do you believe that significance is? If you are trying to argue that the US has the highest per-capita "importance," i.e. importance per person then maybe your statement means something. Unfortunately I don't believe you have any sort of point that you are trying to make.

Can you help me understand?








Question: What is the next step once a pole throws a pin at you?

Answer: Dive for cover. He has a live hand grenade between his teeth.

Why do you feel the need to berate Polish people in every post?

Just how much of a vindictive maniac are you?

Anybdoy who thinks the USA is Libertarian, really needs to get their head checked out for some kind of mental disorder, or mental retardation.

The USA is the biggest spending government in the World!

It's not Libertarian.

Besides, Libertarianism is a terrible idea, even worse than Communism is.

What do true Libertarians plan to do with the 40 million disabled Americans, let them go without shelter, or food?

What about the elderly, they don't get as retirement support?

What about all those dying from lack of healthcare?

Libertarianism would cause tons of homeless too.

With a limited military, they would be overun by anybody.

Besides, Libertarianism doesn't do anything about things that lower quality of life, and wages, like outsourcing, undocumented immigrants.

Also the environment would be a disaster in a true Libertarian society!

 

[IBDaMann]

I find it's people of British descent who are typically the most dumb White people, if you ask me.

You have a good case. They invented the offside rule. Soccer has never fully recovered.

Look at how much you people don't follow the definitions,

I am the authority on the definitions. You need to learn them.

Liberalism is for Capitalist freedom, rights & Democracy,

One could argue that it used to be. The label "Liberalism" has since been hijacked by Marxists who have supplanted the Constitution with ANTIFA and BLM brown shirts imposing mob rule. The country now must look to Libertarians to rein the country back to the right and to bring back liberty and the Constitutional rule of law.

But, then again the government is sort of by the people in the sense they're elected.

The United States is a Federal Republic, a representational government.

So, if you want to talk about Socialism, in the way of government control & distrubion over the production.

Key in on the words "central planning."

From the Communist Manifesto:

"7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan."

"7. Vermehrung der Nationalfabriken, Produktionsinstrumente, Urbarmachung und Verbesserung der Ländereien nach einem gemeinschaftlichen Plan."









Question: How does a Polish Admiral review his fleet?

Answer: From a glass-bottom boat.

 

[IBDaMann]

Why do you feel the need to berate Polish people in every post?

There's no berating going on here.

Just how much of a vindictive maniac are you?

I don't think "vindictive" is the correct word. The word that apparently applies to you is "humorless."

The USA is the biggest spending government in the World!

Yes. Hussain Bolt holds the world record in the 100-meter dash. I don't think he's Libertarian either.

Is there any more trivia you'd like to cover?

Besides, Libertarianism is a terrible idea, even worse than Communism is.

So you want to return to the topic of you not knowing what you are talking about.

Here's one for you: In what way do Extreme Libertarians and Marxist Anarchists differ?

What do true Libertarians plan to do with the 40 million disabled Americans, let them go without shelter, or food?

What about the elderly, they don't get as retirement support?

No. Perhaps your upbringing in Poland has caused you to forget the obvious but none of the things you mention require a government to solve ... and all of them can be solved more efficiently outside of a government. You are arguing based on a stupid assumption.

What about all those dying from lack of healthcare?

All such deaths have occurred in countries with socialized medicine. Nobody has died from of a lack of healthcare in the United States. In the US, emergency care must be rendered without concern for payment.

Libertarianism would cause tons of homeless too.

Libertarianism would practically solve the entire homeless problem.

With a limited military, they would be overun by anybody.

There would be private security firms that would take on that role.

You don't understand Libertarianism at all.

Besides, Libertarianism doesn't do anything about things that lower quality of life, and wages, like outsourcing, undocumented immigrants.

Libertarianism is the exact opposite of government bureaucracy in that it is absolutely the most efficient use of resources and optimizes quality of life across the board. Your statement is absolutely ignorant. Did you learn anything in Poland? Anything at all? Do they have schools in Poland? You haven't demonstrated any education in any of the topics you have discussed. You only regurgitate propaganda.

You would really do yourself a favor and stop getting your news from your Marxist friends who apparently know nothing.

Also the environment would be a disaster in a true Libertarian society!

Nope. Libertarians realize the wealth of a pristine environment. You have a lot of learning to do.









One day IBDaMann sees WitoldPilecki standing on a sidewalk with a tall stick standing upright in one hand and a measuring tape in the other. WitoldPilecki has the measuring tape extended somewhat and is trying hook it on the top of the stick to measure it. WitoldPilecki keeps trying and jumping and he's just not having any luck. IBDaMann walks over, grabs the measuring tape, kicks the stick out of his hands onto the ground and says "Dude, look, you just set it on the ground ... you lay the tape down on one end ... and the stick is ... exactly 97.25 inches long." WitoldPilecki responds "IBDaMann, you're a fucking idiot. I don't care how long it is. I'm trying to find out how tall it is."

 

[IBDaMann]

I see the third-World as Crony-Libertarianism, if that's even a term, it should be.

What do you mean by the "Crony" modifier?

The third-World is mostly Libertarian in the sense of lack of social programs & lack of military, lack of money spent on education, and lack of money spent on police.

OK, but that's not a very good "sense." In much of the 3rd-world the government has full control and heads of state have some fiat authority. They are socialist with no intention of stepping down and transitioning to communism.

On the other hand, the system turns out incredibly corrupt because of the way they are,

How can you call it corrupt if that's the way it is by design?

But, they are largely Collectivist, and tribal.

Libertarians can be collectivist and tribal, sure.

I don't really see White people as the most Socialist, I think that title goes to Eastern Asians.

OK. I can't very well argue with you there. Asia certainly has the numbers.









Question: A Pole and a Russian are in a car together. Who is driving?

Answer: The police.

 

[BattleofHodow]

There's no berating going on here.


I don't think "vindictive" is the correct word. The word that apparently applies to you is "humorless."


Yes. Hussain Bolt holds the world record in the 100-meter dash. I don't think he's Libertarian either.

Is there any more trivia you'd like to cover?


So you want to return to the topic of you not knowing what you are talking about.

Here's one for you: In what way do Extreme Libertarians and Marxist Anarchists differ?


No. Perhaps your upbringing in Poland has caused you to forget the obvious but none of the things you mention require a government to solve ... and all of them can be solved more efficiently outside of a government. You are arguing based on a stupid assumption.



All such deaths have occurred in countries with socialized medicine. Nobody has died from of a lack of healthcare in the United States. In the US, emergency care must be rendered without concern for payment.


Libertarianism would practically solve the entire homeless problem.


There would be private security firms that would take on that role.

You don't understand Libertarianism at all.


Libertarianism is the exact opposite of government bureaucracy in that it is absolutely the most efficient use of resources and optimizes quality of life across the board. Your statement is absolutely ignorant. Did you learn anything in Poland? Anything at all? Do they have schools in Poland? You haven't demonstrated any education in any of the topics you have discussed. You only regurgitate propaganda.

You would really do yourself a favor and stop getting your news from your Marxist friends who apparently know nothing.


Nope. Libertarians realize the wealth of a pristine environment. You have a lot of learning to do.









One day IBDaMann sees WitoldPilecki standing on a sidewalk with a tall stick standing upright in one hand and a measuring tape in the other. WitoldPilecki has the measuring tape extended somewhat and is trying hook it on the top of the stick to measure it. WitoldPilecki keeps trying and jumping and he's just not having any luck. IBDaMann walks over, grabs the measuring tape, kicks the stick out of his hands onto the ground and says "Dude, look, you just set it on the ground ... you lay the tape down on one end ... and the stick is ... exactly 97.25 inches long." WitoldPilecki responds "IBDaMann, you're a fucking idiot. I don't care how long it is. I'm trying to find out how tall it is."

I wasn't born in Poland, which I stated before.

Your jokes are ridiculous, and do in fact mock Polish people.

Homelessness would be terrible in a true Libertarian society.

12.8% of Americans have a disability, and much of the homelessness already comes down to people with disabilities waiting up to years before a court to receive disability.
You are simply unrealistic.

The reason why the USA lives less time than most of the 3rd World & now even some of the 2nd World is because it has more uninsured.

If we got rid of the policies we had, and went full on Libertarian, so many people would die from lack of healthcare.
The reason they don't is because Reagan said the ER can't turn people away.
Even at that, healthcare saves lives, simply because instead of waiting for the ER when one has a heart attack, or diabetic coma, healthcare diagnosis people & changes diet, or puts them on medications to prevent death.

Libertarianism is terrible for the environment, as is we're not doing enough.

For example, Capitalist gas & oil industries have power, and that power leads to plastic.
Meanwhile, plastic is ruining the planet, and we could use hemp materials for the same kind of items which biogrades in days.

That doesn't begin to speak of other pollutants.

The idea of private military firms, is insane, so wait, can McDonald's hire a private military to take out Burger King?

 

[BattleofHodow]

What do you mean by the "Crony" modifier?


OK, but that's not a very good "sense." In much of the 3rd-world the government has full control and heads of state have some fiat authority. They are socialist with no intention of stepping down and transitioning to communism.


How can you call it corrupt if that's the way it is by design?


Libertarians can be collectivist and tribal, sure.


OK. I can't very well argue with you there. Asia certainly has the numbers.









Question: A Pole and a Russian are in a car together. Who is driving?

Answer: The police.

Basically the same as Crony Capitalism, where one hand itches the others backs.

While, it maybe true that there's a corrupt authority in the 3rd World, in many ways they're far more Libertarian than us.

 

[BattleofHodow]

You have a good case. They invented the offside rule. Soccer has never fully recovered.


I am the authority on the definitions. You need to learn them.


One could argue that it used to be. The label "Liberalism" has since been hijacked by Marxists who have supplanted the Constitution with ANTIFA and BLM brown shirts imposing mob rule. The country now must look to Libertarians to rein the country back to the right and to bring back liberty and the Constitutional rule of law.



The United States is a Federal Republic, a representational government.


Key in on the words "central planning."

From the Communist Manifesto:

"7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan."

"7. Vermehrung der Nationalfabriken, Produktionsinstrumente, Urbarmachung und Verbesserung der Ländereien nach einem gemeinschaftlichen Plan."









Question: How does a Polish Admiral review his fleet?

Answer: From a glass-bottom boat.

Explain how Japan wasn't hybrid Socialist during the #1 economic growth period the Japanese Economic Miracle?

Read below, they had anti-Monopoly laws, they decentralized companies which had market control, forced farmers & landlords by government to give up holdings & give tenant farmers redistribution, promoted a union law by the government
,
https://www.lehigh.edu/~rfw1/courses/1999/spring/ir163/Papers/pdf/mat5.pdf

Read this, they even had price controls, and micromanagement over the currency,

http://210.149.141.36/jp/archive/wor/wor004/wor004.pdf

 

[StoneByStone]

How does the socialism/social democrat equivalence dismiss anything helpful to workers?

Because you use the accusation of "Socialism" as a way to discredit any idea that would help the working-class. So when you say Social Democracy is Socialism, it's really just a way of trying to equivalate things like UBI with Socialism, which you then equivalate with the Soviet Union.

By the way, how does your social democracy help Bill Gates? He's a worker. [hint: your contorted answer is going to show that your social democracy is just socialism. I just wanted to give you a heads-up as to what we'll be covering in my next post]

A stronger economy helps Bill Gates more than having another billion does. If we taxed Gates a lot more, he'd still be rich AF, but he'd also be able to enjoy the results of an economy that works for everyone. All of those people lifted out of poverty that go on to become scientists and artists, Gates gets to enjoy their new creations. And because he's so rich, he wouldn't miss the money he loses from his higher taxes anymore than you'd miss a penny you lose.

Now I'm sure you're going to say something like, it's still Socialism because it's helping society. Well, I'm using the original definition of Socialism. If you want to talk about Fox News Socialism, where Obama is a Socialist for the ACA, then I guess I am a Socialist.