You asked what the Mueller report said. I told you. What I said is a FACT. Denying that fact does not make it untrue. That's exactly what the Mueller Report said. It also listed eight instances in which Trump attempted to obstruct the investigation and the Mueller report. If you don't want someone to answer a question, I'd suggest you don't ask it.
Why Do Trump Supporters Believe Trump's Myths?
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You asked what the Mueller report said. I told you. What I said is a FACT. Denying that fact does not make it untrue. That's exactly what the Mueller Report said. It also listed eight instances in which Trump attempted to obstruct the investigation and the Mueller report. If you don't want someone to answer a question, I'd suggest you don't ask it.
IBDaMann
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In what manner did Mueller "find" that Russia was actively helping Trump?
Which Federal statutes specify whose help may be accepted?
... and they knew they couldn't prove that he knew it was illegal because they knew it wasn't illegal.
Nope. Don Junior is not the moron here.
Truck Fump / h1b
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your bluster and pomp don't make the report say what you wish it said. why did the impeachment have nothing to do with russia collusion? no evidence was found, that's why.
TexanManWithPlans
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You make two egregious errors here.
You seem to be purporting that no one can claim any success in "building upon" anything. You are implying that all the success for Amazon does not belong to Bezos but to the guy who invented the transistor. Your reasoning is absurd. Trump built upon his father's success. If you deny that then you are the one in denial.
You mention that Trump fell into bankruptcy. All success thereafter MUST have been of his own doing, yes? ... or is your previous denial carrying over?
Jeff Bezos is a sterling example of a self-made man. Same with Fred Trump and Bill Gates.
But Donald Trump didn't do anything on his own. When he branched out from Fred's wings, he failed miserably. Fred and the banks were desperate to maintain the illusion for business's sake, so the banks have him a $400,000/month allowance and worked hard to turn his failures around. And, of course, Donald blamed it all on the economy because he can't own up to his failures.
IBDaMann
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I think you mentioned that you were going to list off a few substantive Trump lies involving Trump's official duties (not tweets or tabloid gossip).
While you're at it, could you give me the same deductive reasoning you used to conclusively show, beyond any doubt, that Trump supporters don't support him for his impressive list of accomplishments despite Congress' relentless efforts to thwart his every move and a press that has been nothing but unfairly lopsided against?
Thanks in advance.
TexanManWithPlans
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The low IQ individuals who allowed themselves to be manilpulated and tooled are required to believe Trump is "lying" ... without ever having to be told of any particular "lie."
I would ask you to read Mary Trump's book, but you've been told not to. The people who most need to read it won't.
Truck Fump / h1b
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"As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
Maybe you should try reading a report before you make bogus claims about what it does or does not say.
Truck Fump / h1b
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"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
IBDaMann
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Jeff Bezos, Fred Trump and Bill Gates all became successful in the exact same manner that Donald Trump did, i.e. some rough patches at the early stages but with the help of some really great people were able to lead an effort that resulted in great things.
None of them did.
Your subjective characterization notwithstanding, they all had to work out LOTS of kinks in order to establish their own well-oiled machines. That's how it is in every successful business.
Perhaps some day you will realize that none of the Trump Towers and development projects standing today somehow built themselves. You are in some heavy denial.
Yes, they didn't feel they could prove a conspiracy. What I said was a FACT, and I just showed you the direct quote in the report. Russia interfered to help Trump. Trump accepted the help. This is a fact. Checkmate.
TexanManWithPlans
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The book focuses mostly on how fucked up her family is. Her father, Freddy Jr., was probably the most independent of the siblings. He went to college, was a pilot in the National Guard, and became an airline pilot. And what did the family say? Well, his father, Fred Sr., was embarrassed that his eldest son, his heir apparent, had wasted time in the military and had decided to become a "commoner" and a "glorified bus driver in the sky." And when he died at age 42, Donald Trump was so disinterested that he took his wife to the movies. When Fred Jr. lost his career and came back to work for his dad, Fred Sr. promoted the young and inexperienced Donald to "manager" of Trump Management, leaving Fred to be a superintendent of one of his buildings. After Fred's Jr. funeral, his entire line was cut off financially because, according to the family, "you're only worth how much money you have," and since Fred Jr. died with nothing, he was worth nothing and his kids deserved nothing.
Truck Fump / h1b
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jeff bezos is an internationalist fascist cia deep state shill; so is gates.
most billionaires are.
most billionaires are.
Truck Fump / h1b
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so what did trump lie about?
The low IQ individuals who allowed themselves to be manilpulated and tooled are required to believe Trump is "lying" ... without ever having to be told of any particular "lie."
Trump has told almost 20,000 particular lies.
How about my favorite Trump lie. That he got the troops a ten percent raise, and that it was the first raise they'd had in a decade. Maybe that isn't a lie? LOL.
“We’re putting in a resolution some time in the next week and a half to two weeks [and] we’re giving a middle-income tax reduction of about 10 percent”
There was no such resolution and there was no such bill. It was a bald faced lie.
Should I go on? I can do this all day long.
There was no such resolution and there was no such bill. It was a bald faced lie.
Should I go on? I can do this all day long.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
I'm pretty sure I never said that.
The thing is, I don't really care to point out Trump's many lies to people who slavishly support Trump, because they don't care about truth and will defend Trump using bad faith arguments.
For example, I could bring up Trump saying that Biden wants to get rid of religion, that he wants to "hurt the Bible, hurt God." We both know that's a lie, Biden doesn't want to eliminate religion. But you could just say that Trump meant Biden was going to implement policies that will unintentionally restrict the practice of religion. You know that's not what Trump meant, but you could always say that I can't PROVE Trump didn't mean that. You could also say Biden secretly does want to eliminate religion and we know this because he's pro-choice. I can't PROVE that this has been Biden's plan all along, so maybe Trump is right.
There is also the time that Trump said the Democrats have become an "Anti-Jewish party." We both know it's a lie, but you can say that the real reason they don't support Israel as much as they should is because they hate Jews. There's literally no evidence for this, and it's ridiculous considering the Democrats do support Israel, but I can't PROVE that they don't secretly hate Jews.
This is the logic that Trumpcucks use. I could go on and on listing Trump's literally thousands of lies, but would it matter? At this point, I rather just lean into the lies when talking with Trumpcucks. Trump lied about his father being born in Germany? Well, I want to see Trump's birth certificate! I think he was born in Berlin and is thus ineligible to be president!
#strawmanning
I didn't say I can prove beyond any doubt that Trumpcucks don't support him for this or that. What I said was that some of them know he's lying, but like him anyway. And there are many different reasons for this. Some of his supporters are rich people who just like that he's making them richer. Some are Accelerationists who think Trump is speeding up the downfall of America. Some are Nihilists who just like that Trump pisses people off. Some are White Nationalist who just like that Trump wants to build a wall.
I'm sure there are some super low IQ people who think Trump doesn't lie constantly, but I think they're less common than those other types.