Why Do Trumppers pretend we are not a Democracy?

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Congratulations, you just proved the US is a republic AND also is a democracy. Something that most people on the left know to be true. It is those on the right that think we can't be both.
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People on the right are just derps. We have to accept that. I am not saying this to insult, but they are just dumb.

They seem incapable of understanding being a subset of higher category still means you are in that higher category.

They are so dumb they would argue a fork is not cutlery because it is a 'fork' despite the fact that 'forks', 'spoons', knives' etc are just a subset of 'cutlery', like the US system is a subset of 'democracy'.


I guarantee you some of the right derps on this forum will read my post above and simply not understand it and will rail, it is inaccurate, due to their inability to comprehend simple concepts.

Imagine trying to explain basic math to Marjorie Greene or Boebert... that is what we are doing here with the derps.
 
Jarod said:
Your ignorance again shows you n that you believe we are not both a Democracy and a Republic. We are a republic in that we have a president, we are a Democracy in that the people elect that president.

Maybe that’s too complex for the Trumpper brain.
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Democracy is a popularity contest, republicanism is a system of governance. This is another jackass contrived first world “crisis” that you ass hats piss and moan about when you’re sucking hind tit on real major issues. Relax. Your precious system of selecting leftist morons to drag this country into the cesspool is safer than it has ever been because of the way you politically educate the young, and continue to pervert the democratic process you claim to love and cherish.
 
QP! said:
People on the right are just derps. We have to accept that. I am not saying this to insult, but they are just dumb.

They seem incapable of understanding being a subset of higher category still means you are in that higher category.

They are so dumb they would argue a fork is not cutlery because it is a 'fork' despite the fact that 'forks', 'spoons', knives' etc are just a subset of 'cutlery', like the US system is a subset of 'democracy'.


I guarantee you some of the right derps on this forum will read my post above and simply not understand it and will rail, it is inaccurate, due to their inability to comprehend simple concepts.

Imagine trying to explain basic math to Marjorie Greene or Boebert... that is what we are doing here with the derps.
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It seems to be part of the conservative mentality which is black/white, yes/no. It's why they don't want to compromise or admit they are wrong.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/black-and-white-thinking
 
Jarod said:
Where is this coming from? Steve Bannon, or Q, or some other Right Wing rag?

DO they hate Democracy because they are losing?


OXFORD DICTIONARY

de·moc·ra·cy
/dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
"capitalism and democracy are ascendant in the third world"


We should have all learned in 6th Grade we are a Constitutional Representative Democracy, a form of Republic. We are not a direct Democracy, such a thing has never existed on any large scale.
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You really are astoundingly stupid.

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Callinectes said:
Democracy is a popularity contest, republicanism is a system of governance. This is another jackass contrived first world “crisis” that you ass hats piss and moan about when you’re sucking hind tit on real major issues. Relax. Your precious system of selecting leftist morons to drag this country into the cesspool is safer than it has ever been because of the way you politically educate the young, and continue to pervert the democratic process you claim to love and cherish.
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Regardless of your hate for Democracy, the founders created one. Its what America is.
 
martin said:
We elect a president and we choose the candidates for president - they aren't chosen for us. We also elect our legislators and our state governors and legislators. The dumbbell you answered is just one more on their string of dumbbells, likening voting in this country to voting in North Korea.
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Who is promoting this idea that we are/never were a Democracy? Its coming from somewhere...
 
Callinectes said:
republic noun

/rɪˈpʌblɪk/
/rɪˈpʌblɪk/
​a country that is governed by a president and politicians elected by the people and where there is no king or queen.

You may have squeaked out of the 6th grade, but that obviously didn't make you smarter than old Ben Franklin. And I notice that the oxford dictionary makes no mention of the constitution in either definition. Reduced to it's basic elements, your precious, sacred "democracy" is just voting. Russians vote, Iraqis vote. Hell, North Koreans vote.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/constitution-check-who-decides-who-gets-to-vote
This is an eternal, stupid argument for a direct democracy that you jackasses engage in when you're losing the battle against real issues, all while "winning" elections and building a voter base of mouth breathing unibrows.
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Yes, we are a Republic and a Democracy. Much like I am an American and a Human.

We are not a direct democracy. This is true.
 
Jarod said:
Who is promoting this idea that we are/never were a Democracy? Its coming from somewhere...
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Seems to have risen like a noxious gas from the Trump swamp, democracy being antithetical to the Trump fondness for autocrats along with his own dream of one man rule. I wasn't here before he rode down the elevator but I would be surprised if pre-Trump there was this nonsense about democracy vs. republic.
 
martin said:
Seems to have risen like a noxious gas from the Trump swamp, democracy being antithetical to the Trump fondness for autocrats along with his own dream of one man rule. I wasn't here before he rode down the elevator but I would be surprised if pre-Trump there was this nonsense about democracy vs. republic.
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I never heard any large political group promoting this pre-Trump.


There is an organized Trump effort to undermine American Democracy.
 
Callinectes said:
republic noun

/rɪˈpʌblɪk/
/rɪˈpʌblɪk/
​a country that is governed by a president and politicians elected by the people and where there is no king or queen.

You may have squeaked out of the 6th grade, but that obviously didn't make you smarter than old Ben Franklin. And I notice that the oxford dictionary makes no mention of the constitution in either definition. Reduced to it's basic elements, your precious, sacred "democracy" is just voting. Russians vote, Iraqis vote. Hell, North Koreans vote.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/constitution-check-who-decides-who-gets-to-vote
This is an eternal, stupid argument for a direct democracy that you jackasses engage in when you're losing the battle against real issues, all while "winning" elections and building a voter base of mouth breathing unibrows.
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Not all Republics are Democracies, ask Oliver Cromwell.
 
Jarod said:
Not all Republics are Democracies, ask Oliver Cromwell.
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Or ask the leaders of The People's Republic of China.

The terms refer to different things. "Republic" defines the structure of the national govt as being other than a monarchy. "Democracy" defines how the structure is fundamentally assembled. Our democratic republic is different from China's non-democratic republic. Obviously almost every national government is now a republic with but a few monarchies remaining. Not the case when Franklin uttered his famous, "...a republic if you can keep it."
 
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martin said:
Or ask the leaders of The People's Republic of China.

The terms refer to different things. "Republic" defines the structure of the national govt as being other than a monarchy. "Democracy" defines how the structure is fundamentally assembled. Our democratic republic is different from China's non-democratic republic. Obviously almost every national government is now a republic with but a few monarchies remaining. Not the case when Franklin uttered his famous, "...a republic if you can keep it."
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But Bannon told them to hate Democracy and that we never have been a Democracy, that was just Wokism.
 
Jarod said:
But Bannon told them to hate Democracy and that we never have been a Democracy, that was just Wokism.
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Bannon is a flamethrower, nothing more. He latched onto Trump for his own purposes. He couldn't care less about what is good for the country.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You really are astoundingly stupid.

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It's you that is astoundingly stupid...

An informed citizenry is at the heart of a dynamic democracy.
Thomas Jefferson

The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.
Thomas Jefferson

It is my principle that the will of the majority should always prevail.
Thomas Jefferson

We are sensible of the duty and expediency of submitting our opinions to the will of the majority, and can wait with patience till they get right if they happen to be at any time wrong.
Thomas Jefferson

Eternal Vigilance is the price of democracy.
Thomas Jefferson

Let us in education dream of an aristocracy of achievement arising out of a democracy of opportunity
Thomas Jefferson

The cornerstone of democracy rests on the foundation of an educated electorate.
Thomas Jefferson


Jefferson understood the US was a democracy constrained by a Constitution so we are both a democracy and a Republic. Cherry picking one quote out of many quotes doesn't mean he thought the US wasn't a democracy.
 
martin said:
Too bad you haven't learned by now that words are defined in dictionaries. Socialism is: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
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A quote without a link. Link to the dictionary source and quote, please.
 
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