Why does the explosion in variants correlate with the vaccines?

Darth Omar said:
Well, they’re all natural mutations as far as it goes but it’s Darwin 101 that species will evolve [via mutations] according to environmental pressure. Slower gazelles get eaten so only the faster ones pass on their genes yada yada.

The basics of Darwin can be learnt in an afternoon.

It’s entirely plausible that the vaccines are creating a kind of environmental pressure on the viruses and they are evolving different strains as a result. IOW, similar to how antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria will pop up when antibiotics are over used.

But these are unclean thoughts in the Church of Vax, so lol.
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Darwin says that mutations always happen. it's the nature of DNA.
The difference is whether those mutants either succeed ( and become viable in the population) or not
 
Darth Omar said:
It’s entirely plausible that the vaccines are creating a kind of environmental pressure on the viruses and they are evolving different strains as a result. IOW, similar to how antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria will pop up when antibiotics are over used.
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missed this.. good hypothesis..beats me lol
 
The way it works is the virus simply replicates again and again. It has random changes. The changes that make it more likely to continue are the ones that survive.
Strains will continue to develop as long as we have Corona percolating. There is no intelligence involved. The states that fight the vaccines are allowing the virus to evolve. We could have shot it down by now if people did the right thing. We will all pay for the rights anti science posture.
 
anatta said:
Darwin says that mutations always happen. it's the nature of DNA.
The difference is whether those mutants either succeed ( and become viable in the population) or not
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The vast majority of mutations are deleterious [as one might imagine, if they are random] but very occasionally one of the bugs gets a ‘lucky mutation’ that makes it more fit [hence, survival of the fittest] for a specific environment. As mentioned, it happens all the time with bacteria and *it’s very well documented* since antibiotic resistant bacteria are a huge concern in medicine.

And since viral and microbial populations turnover at the speed of light relative to higher organisms it’s one instance where evolution can be seen in real time, as it were.

The Vax Fundies seem to suggest that viruses are incapable of mutating in response to vaccines. They will have to explain that part—or more likely, make an appeal to authority lol. Or call us idiots or whatever.
 
Darth Omar said:
For nearly a year, the CCP Virus plodded along without producing any variants until the vaccines came on the scene—and then boom.

Coincidence? Or are the vaccines stimulating evolutionary changes in the COVID19 genome?
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Learned as they went along, remember Covid 19 was new, but he first variant was noticed in December 2020, prior to or around the same time the vaccines were offered publicly (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...riefs/scientific-brief-emerging-variants.html) so your first premise isn’t quite correct

And yes, the emergence of a vaccine can force a virus to mutate, often does, as can a number of other factors, especially just pure chance (https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8). Either way, Covid was going to alter regardless of vaccines
 
AProudLefty said:
I guess so. You think the vaccines are the ones that cause the variants? Or is there a sinister motive?
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I doubt genetic engineering is sufficiently advanced they could ‘preprogram’ a virus to mutate, but who knows.

I think it’s quite plausible that the vaccines have caused evolutionary changes in the Covid genome. Are you going to argue they can’t?
 
Darth Omar said:
I doubt genetic engineering is sufficiently advanced they could ‘preprogram’ a virus to mutate, but who knows.

I think it’s quite plausible that the vaccines have caused evolutionary changes in the Covid genome. Are you going to argue they can’t?
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Not arguing that. Is there a precedent?
 
Darth Omar said:
For nearly a year, the CCP Virus plodded along without producing any variants until the vaccines came on the scene—and then boom.

Coincidence? Or are the vaccines stimulating evolutionary changes in the COVID19 genome?
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ROFLMAO. Stupidity is strong in you Darth.

How many vaccines existed in July of 2020?
https://lanl.gov/discover/news-rele...-newer-variant-covid-dominates-infections.php


How many vaccines existing in October of 2020 when there were hundreds of variants?

In Europe alone, hundreds of different variants of the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 are currently circulating,
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https://healthpolicy-watch.news/novel-sars-cov-2-variant-spread-europe-2020/
 
Darth Omar said:
No variants in nine months. Vaccines come out and there are [at least] two variants in the next six.

You don’t find this to be curious?
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I find your inability to live in reality curious.


October of 2020
https://healthpolicy-watch.news/novel-sars-cov-2-variant-spread-europe-2020/
In Europe alone, hundreds of different variants of the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 are currently circulating, distinguished by mutations in their genomes. However, only very few of these variants have spread as successfully and become as prevalent as the newly identified variant, named 20A.EU1.
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AProudLefty said:
You don't think they mutated in the last nine months?
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OMG, he is that stupid. There were multiple variants identified as far back as April of last year. What a fucking tool.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

The reason these variants get our attention is because they are more virulent. Why do people post about things for which they lack a basic knowledge. Mutations don't occur because of a vaccine. Certain mutations are more likely to SURVIVE in a vaccinated population than others, but vaccines cannot cause a virus to mutate.

Just wow. The stupid is mind blowing.
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, they’re all natural mutations as far as it goes but it’s Darwin 101 that species will evolve [via mutations] according to environmental pressure. Slower gazelles get eaten so only the faster ones pass on their genes yada yada.

The basics of Darwin can be learnt in an afternoon.

It’s entirely plausible that the vaccines are creating a kind of environmental pressure on the viruses and they are evolving different strains as a result. IOW, similar to how antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria will pop up when antibiotics are over used.

But these are unclean thoughts in the Church of Vax, so lol.
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The vaccines will not create variants but it may allow variants that mutate to avoid the vaccine to become prevalent. That is why it would be helpful for everyone to get vaccinated. If everyone is vaccinated then the virus can't find anyone to infect so it will eventually die off. If 20% of the population doesn't get vaccinated then the virus can infect those people and mutate until finally one of the variants mutates enough to allow it to infect the vaccinated people. At that point the vaccines become useless thanks to people like you, Darth.
 
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