Why does the explosion in variants correlate with the vaccines?

his message is hidden because Darth Omar is on your ignore list.

Unfortunately, I can't filter out all your bullshit, so I respond when appropriate. Don't like it? Tough shit.
 
Darth Omar said:
For nearly a year, the CCP Virus plodded along without producing any variants until the vaccines came on the scene—and then boom.

Coincidence? Or are the vaccines stimulating evolutionary changes in the COVID19 genome?
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I don't know, to be honest.

When I get curious enough, however, I'll ask prominent geneticists,
not an internet forum crawling with trumpanzees.
 
archives said:
Learned as they went along, remember Covid 19 was new, but he first variant was noticed in December 2020, prior to or around the same time the vaccines were offered publicly (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...riefs/scientific-brief-emerging-variants.html) so your first premise isn’t quite correct

And yes, the emergence of a vaccine can force a virus to mutate, often does, as can a number of other factors, especially just pure chance (https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8). Either way, Covid was going to alter regardless of vaccines
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Variants were occurring from the first time we found the virus because reproduction causes mutations. It's simply a question of which mutations are better able to find new hosts and reproduce that make a variant become dominant.

Vaccines don't cause mutations. Vaccines create a situation where mutations that allow the virus to avoid the vaccine are able to reproduce and spread better than other variants. The more hosts a virus can infect the more mutations that will occur over time. By getting vaccinated, you help to stop the mutations because there are fewer hosts.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The vaccines will not create variants but it may allow variants that mutate to avoid the vaccine to become prevalent. That is why it would be helpful for everyone to get vaccinated. If everyone is vaccinated then the virus can't find anyone to infect so it will eventually die off. If 20% of the population doesn't get vaccinated then the virus can infect those people and mutate until finally one of the variants mutates enough to allow it to infect the vaccinated people. At that point the vaccines become useless thanks to people like you, Darth.
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You contradicted yourself in the first sentence and I stopped reading after that.
 
Darth Omar said:
This is the ‘we don’t need scientists to think for us’ thread.
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They don't "think for us." They do their jobs.

This is why people keep bringing up 61. You couldn't envision that the virus could spread as rapidly as it did.

But real scientists could. That's their job. It's why people listen to them on - you know - scientific matters.
 
Darth Omar said:
It happens in bacteria—and it’s unfortunately very common.

Unless viruses ‘evolve differently’ there’s your precedent. In the absence of antibiotics there are no antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria.
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The reason it happens with bacteria should be a warning you would understand if you were truly a medical professional.

There would be antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria in the absence of antibiotics. It's just they would have no advantage over non resistant strains so may or may not be able to become the dominant strain depending on other factors. Are you sure you ever took a biology course? You don't seem to know the first thing about DNA, RNA or evolution.
 
anatta said:
good link TY
It doesnt say how vaxx causes additional mutations, but it answers the OP!! good reseach
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OMFG. How stupid are you people?
Vaccines don't cause mutations. Vaccines change the environment so changes which mutations will survive and out compete the other mutations.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The vaccines will not create variants but it may allow variants that mutate to avoid the vaccine to become prevalent. That is why it would be helpful for everyone to get vaccinated. If everyone is vaccinated then the virus can't find anyone to infect so it will eventually die off. If 20% of the population doesn't get vaccinated then the virus can infect those people and mutate until finally one of the variants mutates enough to allow it to infect the vaccinated people. At that point the vaccines become useless thanks to people like you, Darth.
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you TOTALLY blew right past acquired immunity from COVID exposure.

What we learned thanks to ARCHIVES is that the vaxx itself drives mutations - (although im pretty sure the RNA replication process is where most mutations happen) ;you post is full of fallacies and incomplete data
 
Darth Omar said:
You contradicted yourself in the first sentence and I stopped reading after that.
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Care to explain why you think there is a contradiction in this sentence? Be specific.

The vaccines will not create variants but it may allow variants that mutate to avoid the vaccine to become prevalent.

Changing which mutation survives is not the same thing as creating the mutation. Your stupidity is amazing for someone that claims to be a medical professional.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
OMFG. How stupid are you people?
Vaccines don't cause mutations. Vaccines change the environment so changes which mutations will survive and out compete the other mutations.
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WTF do you mean by "enviornment?"
mutations occur within the host
Then Darwins law takes effect where the "successful" mutations survive/thrive to become a variant and then a strain
Id be careful with your arrogance, your posts are incomplete , and your terminology inexact
 
AProudLefty said:
Where does it say that?
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What Causes Viruses to Mutate?

Virus changes are associated to three things. First, sometimes a change in a virus is a pure error.

“I heard this really good analogy about virus changes,” Dr. Rosa says. “It's like copying a manuscript and, at some point, you're going to have a typo.”

Another reason a virus might change is because of pressure from select cells in the body.

“This hypothesis emerged regarding some of the COVID-19 variants. It states if a virus infects a person who doesn’t have a very strong immune system, for example, someone with cancer, then the body is not able to clear the virus very well. Then the virus can say, ‘Hey, how are you going to attack me and make changes based on that?’,” Dr. Rosa says.

The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.
 
anatta said:
What Causes Viruses to Mutate?

Virus changes are associated to three things. First, sometimes a change in a virus is a pure error.

“I heard this really good analogy about virus changes,” Dr. Rosa says. “It's like copying a manuscript and, at some point, you're going to have a typo.”

Another reason a virus might change is because of pressure from select cells in the body.

“This hypothesis emerged regarding some of the COVID-19 variants. It states if a virus infects a person who doesn’t have a very strong immune system, for example, someone with cancer, then the body is not able to clear the virus very well. Then the virus can say, ‘Hey, how are you going to attack me and make changes based on that?’,” Dr. Rosa says.

The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.
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Did you know this prior to the conversation - or is it something you just googled?
 
anatta said:
What Causes Viruses to Mutate?

Virus changes are associated to three things. First, sometimes a change in a virus is a pure error.

“I heard this really good analogy about virus changes,” Dr. Rosa says. “It's like copying a manuscript and, at some point, you're going to have a typo.”

Another reason a virus might change is because of pressure from select cells in the body.

“This hypothesis emerged regarding some of the COVID-19 variants. It states if a virus infects a person who doesn’t have a very strong immune system, for example, someone with cancer, then the body is not able to clear the virus very well. Then the virus can say, ‘Hey, how are you going to attack me and make changes based on that?’,” Dr. Rosa says.

The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.
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how can a virus mutate after vaccines have eradicated it?

think before you post moron
 
anatta said:
What Causes Viruses to Mutate?

Virus changes are associated to three things. First, sometimes a change in a virus is a pure error.

“I heard this really good analogy about virus changes,” Dr. Rosa says. “It's like copying a manuscript and, at some point, you're going to have a typo.”

Another reason a virus might change is because of pressure from select cells in the body.

“This hypothesis emerged regarding some of the COVID-19 variants. It states if a virus infects a person who doesn’t have a very strong immune system, for example, someone with cancer, then the body is not able to clear the virus very well. Then the virus can say, ‘Hey, how are you going to attack me and make changes based on that?’,” Dr. Rosa says.

The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.
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You forgot to post the rest.

“Any virus is going to try to keep changing so it can continue to spread. For COVID-19, that means we’ll likely see more new variants as more people are vaccinated. That’s natural and expected. Don’t be too worried about it, the vaccine should help keep us safe. But, that’s why it’s so important for experts to work together around the world to track the COVID-19 variants. It’s also important for you to continue doing your part by getting vaccinated as soon as you become eligible to get the COVID-19 vaccine,” Dr. Rosa says.
 
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