Why homosexuality should be banned

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Southern Man said:
I thought I'd give you the option, but if you insist, take the first one, that homosexuality is unnatural.

State the basis of your argument.
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Hmmm, since same sex coupling happens in numerous species, I think the "its unnatural" argument is bogus.
 
Southern Man said:
I thought I'd give you the option, but if you insist, take the first one, that homosexuality is unnatural.

State the basis of your argument.
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"Unnatural" is simply not a standard of morality. It is unnatural to fly in an airplane, it is unnatural to fix your vision with glasses, to clothe yourself for warmth and ornament, to drive cars, to send people into space, use velcro, buy lotto tickets and about a billion other things we regularly do. It is unnatural to send signals through the air so that somebody can watch your pastor on the boob tube, it is unnatural to encase boobs in cloth that hold them up so they don't hang to women's knees before they are thirty. It's unnatural to use electricity to power servers and create the internet to communicate with others across the planet without leaving your house...

Messageboards are unnatural... so many things people do are unnatural that making it the standard of what is "moral" would be absolutely stupid.
 
Damocles said:
"Unnatural" is simply not a standard of morality. It is unnatural to fly in an airplane, it is unnatural to fix your vision with glasses, to clothe yourself for warmth and ornament, to drive cars, to send people into space, use velcro, buy lotto tickets and about a billion other things we regularly do. It is unnatural to send signals through the air so that somebody can watch your pastor on the boob tube, it is unnatural to encase boobs in cloth that hold them up so they don't hang to women's knees before they are thirty. It's unnatural to use electricity to power servers and create the internet to communicate with others across the planet without leaving your house...

Messageboards are unnatural... so many things people do are unnatural that making it the standard of what is "moral" would be absolutely stupid.
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I'm not arguing that there is something wrong with unnatural. All I ask for is that homosexuals and their enablers admit that it is unnatural.
 
Southern Man said:
I'm not arguing that there is something wrong with unnatural. All I ask for is that homosexuals and their enablers admit that it is unnatural.
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Define "unnatural" it is important that we are working with the same definitions if we begin a conversation on this issue. I don't want the target to continuously change because you want to desperately believe it is "unnatural" in some way.

What is seriously "unnatural" is the capacity for the human to care so much about what others do that doesn't hurt them or effect them in any way.
 
Damocles said:
Define "unnatural" it is important that we are working with the same definitions if we begin a conversation on this issue. I don't want the target to continuously change because you want to desperately believe it is "unnatural" in some way.

What is seriously "unnatural" is the capacity for the human to care so much about what others do that doesn't hurt them or effect them in any way.
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You can look up the definition at m-w.com.

Its not unnatural to care about the accurate use of language or about the impact on innocent children.
 
Damocles said:
"Unnatural" is simply not a standard of morality. It is unnatural to fly in an airplane, it is unnatural to fix your vision with glasses, to clothe yourself for warmth and ornament, to drive cars, to send people into space, use velcro, buy lotto tickets and about a billion other things we regularly do. It is unnatural to send signals through the air so that somebody can watch your pastor on the boob tube, it is unnatural to encase boobs in cloth that hold them up so they don't hang to women's knees before they are thirty. It's unnatural to use electricity to power servers and create the internet to communicate with others across the planet without leaving your house...

Messageboards are unnatural... so many things people do are unnatural that making it the standard of what is "moral" would be absolutely stupid.
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"....it is unnatural to encase boobs in cloth that hold them up so they don't hang to women's knees before they are thirty..."
If this is wrong, I don't want to be right. :cof1:
 
The video is silly and funny, hardly a serious argument for condoning or condemning homosexuality....

Un-natural?

Completely subjective, therefore irrelevant....

No religious support for ?

A personal opinion, also irrelevant...

Can't produce children?

Absolutely true....

Contagious?

Hardly a serious observation...

Adoption ?

Untrue ... homo's can't adopt and raise children...

Weird ?

Again, subjective personal opinion, irrelevant...

Male and female role models to raise children?

Accepted belief as a better environment to rear children

Unpopular ?

Irrelevant...who cares if its "popular"


And they don't have basic freedoms?

Complete bullshit....life, liberty and pursuit of happiness,= basic freedoms...

Right to marry?

Its just a lie to claim that there isn't some entity, somewhere, that will perform some agreed upon ceremony, that ANY TWO ADULT people can claim that they are married in their own eyes and live as they see fit...any lawyer can make legal any agreement these folks want to enter into (A contract between them)concerning money, property, health decisions, etc.......
BUT.....
neither the State nor Religious organizations nor Corporations are obligated to recognize said 'marriage' or ANY marriage if they so desire, for there own reasons....

So...its bullshit, strawman, irrelevant crap....

Nobody cares what two people do in private, adult, consensual sex....
 
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bravo said:
Nobody cares what two people do in private, adult, consensual sex....
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If such were the case, this thread would never have been created, and if it were nobody would have replied. People overcome the natural tendency to ignore what other people are doing constantly. I just work to get them back to the "live and let live" mentality that is so prevalent in nature.
 
Southern Man said:
You can look up the definition at m-w.com.

Its not unnatural to care about the accurate use of language or about the impact on innocent children.
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True. I suppose it is natural for people to create false scenarios that children are threatened and use such false situations to advance their own bigotry under a guise.

Wait, that's not natural at all! Which "unnatural" trumps the other?

Lets face it, people oppose gay marriage because they either don't like gays, they are fearful that they may be gay themselves, or they don't understand reality and they prefer to concern themselves with and oppose that which they voluntarily claim to have no understanding of.

These phony baloney "concerns" about children, or culture, or the American Way of life are blown up to awaken the bigot in the bigoted, and scare the uneducated backwards voter.

There are no truly valid reasons to oppose gay marriage unless you consider bigotry and ignorance to be valid.

Thus, SouthernKlan.
 
Southern Man said:
I'm not arguing that there is something wrong with unnatural. All I ask for is that homosexuals and their enablers admit that it is unnatural.
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First of all, there is so little that is natural in our lives. And, as Damo has pointed out, it has no bearing on the topic.

Second of all, asking homosexuals to admit something when you would willingly deny them the same benefits you enjoy for committing to the one they love is out of line.

Third of all, no one is "enabling" homosexuals. There are those who would fight for their right to enjoy the same benefits that heterosexuals enjoy.
 
Southern Man said:
I'm not arguing that there is something wrong with unnatural. All I ask for is that homosexuals and their enablers admit that it is unnatural.
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By "enablers" you mean those that don't tie them to fences and beat them with sticks?

Enablers? good choice of words, your bigotry couldn't be more apparent.


Why don't you just say it like it is? You hate gay people. Just say it, it'll spare uss all the uncomfortable fakeness.
 
Southern Man said:
I'm not arguing that there is something wrong with unnatural. All I ask for is that homosexuals and their enablers admit that it is unnatural.
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Define unnatural. I would define it, in this context, as something that conflicts with the objects nature. In a sentence... It seemed unnatural for Michael Jackson to be in a heterosexual relationship.

We don't know if it is genetically determined or predisposed. But as one of the video mentioned, we see homosexual couplings in other animals. It seems quite natural for some individuals.
 
Beefy said:
True. I suppose it is natural for people to create false scenarios that children are threatened and use such false situations to advance their own bigotry under a guise.

Wait, that's not natural at all! Which "unnatural" trumps the other?

Lets face it, people oppose gay marriage because they either don't like gays, they are fearful that they may be gay themselves, or they don't understand reality and they prefer to concern themselves with and oppose that which they voluntarily claim to have no understanding of.

These phony baloney "concerns" about children, or culture, or the American Way of life are blown up to awaken the bigot in the bigoted, and scare the uneducated backwards voter.

There are no truly valid reasons to oppose gay marriage unless you consider bigotry and ignorance to be valid.

Thus, SouthernKlan.
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Rock on Beefy! :good4u:
 
Beefy said:
By "enablers" you mean those that don't tie them to fences and beat them with sticks?

Enablers? good choice of words, your bigotry couldn't be more apparent.


Why don't you just say it like it is? You hate gay people. Just say it, it'll spare uss all the uncomfortable fakeness.
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Come on SM where's your response. It only took Beefy two posts to completely own you on this debate, you're losing very badly here.
 
The "unnatural" argument misses on many levels. Most of these are due to our rational ability or our advanced brain and ability to learn from others.

There is the fact that we all do things that are somewhat unnatural, if you define natural as how we would act in a feral state. Some may say, if God meant man to fly he would have given him wings. But, while he did not give us wings, he gave us big brains. What's unnatural about using them to fly?

There is also our individuality. It exists in most animals, but it's far more pronounced in the human animal, most likely due to our advanced brain. This individuality means that what is "natural" for one human is not "natural" for another.
 
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