Why homosexuality should be banned

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Southern Man said:
What a long winded way to avoid the question.
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It did not avoid the question. Your question, as asked, has sodomy and homosexuality being either moral or immoral.

That is not the way I see it. As far as morality goes, the reasons why a person has sex is more important than the sex act itself.

There is an element of this in homosexuality too. If one chooses to be a homosexual (for reasons known only to them), then the reasons they do so will determine whether it is moral or immoral.


Try reading the answers for what is said rather than for what you can pick at or dispute. It makes understanding much easier.
 
WinterBorn said:
It did not avoid the question. Your question, as asked, has sodomy and homosexuality being either moral or immoral.

That is not the way I see it. As far as morality goes, the reasons why a person has sex is more important than the sex act itself.

There is an element of this in homosexuality too. If one chooses to be a homosexual (for reasons known only to them), then the reasons they do so will determine whether it is moral or immoral.


Try reading the answers for what is said rather than for what you can pick at or dispute. It makes understanding much easier.
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The question was, did you teach your children that sodomy and homosexuality are moral and healthy? A simple yes or no would suffice; I don't need long-winded excuses.
 
Southern Man said:
The question was, did you teach your children that sodomy and homosexuality are moral and healthy? A simple yes or no would suffice; I don't need long-winded excuses.
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What you needed was to be schooled on the actual way to teach children about morality.

And you asked about what I taught my children. I answered by explaining what I taught my children about morality as it pertains to those two topics.


Did you teach your children that homosexuality was immoral?
 
WinterBorn said:
What you needed was to be schooled on the actual way to teach children about morality.

And you asked about what I taught my children. I answered by explaining what I taught my children about morality as it pertains to those two topics.


Did you teach your children that homosexuality was immoral?
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I asked you the question that I asked, and am still waiting for an answer. Shall I repeat it a third time?
 
Southern Man said:
I asked you the question that I asked, and am still waiting for an answer. Shall I repeat it a third time?
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I told you what I taught them. I taught them that why a person does something is more important than what a person does, as far as morality goes.

I answered you in plain english. You want a yes or no, but I do not deal in black & white when the answer is grey.

There are very few things that cannot be moral and immoral, depending on the motivations of the person.

If I kill someone to steal their money, that is immoral. If I kill someone in self-defense or to save another person's life, that is moral.
So tell me, is killing someone moral or immoral?

You seem to think sodomy and homosexuality are strictly one or the other, so tell us what you taught your children.
 
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WinterBorn said:
I told you what I taught them. I taught them that why a person does something is more important than what a person does, as far as morality goes.

I answered you in plain english. You want a yes or no, but I do not deal in black & white when the answer is grey.

There are very few things that cannot be moral and immoral, depending on the motivations of the person.

If I kill someone to steal their money, that is immoral. If I kill someone in self-defense or to save another person's life, that is moral.
So tell me, is killing someone moral or immoral?

You seem to think sodomy and homosexuality are strictly one or the other, so tell us what you taught your children.
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So your answer is yes?
 
Yurt said:
from your own post :pke:

you further keep ignoring the change in state constitutions by CA and approx. 26 other states....why is that?
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show me ONE state where gay marriage was permitted anytime between 1776 and 2000 and the law was changed to prevent it.....just one.....and I will concede you have won the argument.....

however, you first have to admit that gay marriage was not permitted in California prior to the Supreme Court overturning the state law which prohibited gay marriage.....you seem disinclined so far to admit that simple fact.....

you would rather assume a victorious posture than actually present a valid argument......
 
Yurt said:
lol...it was so clear that they had to CHANGE the statute in 1977 and change it again in 2000 with prop 22....
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except they didn't change it to MAKE it illegal, they changed it so no one doubted it was illegal....no gay could have gotten married in California in 1976, or in any other year since California first became a state.....the only way you can continue this argument is if you PRETEND the law permitted gay marriage before 1977......it didn't.......
 
Southern Man said:
So your answer is yes?
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Surely you can read? My answer is not, and will not, be a "Yes or No".

Morality is much more complicated than that, and depends on the motivations of the person.



But if you insist it is as simple as a yes or a no, why not answer the question yourself?
 
WinterBorn said:
Surely you can read? My answer is not, and will not, be a "Yes or No".

Morality is much more complicated than that, and depends on the motivations of the person.



But if you insist it is as simple as a yes or a no, why not answer the question yourself?
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You're the one who mentioned your children, not me. How many of each, by the way?
 
Southern Man said:
You're the one who mentioned your children, not me. How many of each, by the way?
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You are the one who asked if I taught my children that sodomy and homosexuality were moral.

I see you are going to avoid the question.
 
WinterBorn said:
You are the one who asked if I taught my children that sodomy and homosexuality were moral.

I see you are going to avoid the question.
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You're the one who mentioned your children and your belief that queer and sodomy are normal and healthy. If you don't want to answer my question, fine, but I never mentioned my kids in this context so don't mention them again.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
show me ONE state where gay marriage was permitted anytime between 1776 and 2000 and the law was changed to prevent it.....just one.....and I will concede you have won the argument.....

however, you first have to admit that gay marriage was not permitted in California prior to the Supreme Court overturning the state law which prohibited gay marriage.....you seem disinclined so far to admit that simple fact.....

you would rather assume a victorious posture than actually present a valid argument......
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what is intriguing about your stance is that i must admit gay marriage was not permitted prior to the supreme is that your own research clearly and unequivocally said that a legislative committee determined that the law was not clear on whether gay marriage was banned and therefore changed the law in 1977 to outright ban gay marriage. further, in 2000, the citizens of CA were so unsure of the 1977 ban that they passed another law, prop 22, that further amended/changed the family law code in CA.

those are the facts. let me ask you some important questions that will help narrow this down to a resolution:

1. did CA and other states amend/change their constitutions. yes or no

2. did CA change/amend the code in 1977 to define marriage as solely between a man and a woman. yes or no.

3. what was the purpose of prop 22 in CA (2000)? if gay marriage was already banned, why was prop 22 needed?

4. do you support the SCOTUS decision (loving v. virginia) overturning state bans on interracial marriage? yes or no

i would appreciate an answer to the fourth question as it goes to the very heart of your claim that you don't support gay marriage because it changes the law.

btw....those gay marriages performed in CA during the 5 months before prop 8 passed are still valid marriages....
 
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