Why millennials are leaving the church?
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Mott the Hoople
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I've been watching Ricky Fervais show "An idiot abroad." . I about heave a lung laughing everytime I watch it.
tekkychick
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This paragraph -
I've often said (to friends, not on this board) that if I ever were to get religious again, I'd want something with a lot of tradition, ritual, etc; no religion-light, give me full Latin or Greek or Hebrew!
but ain't going to happen, so no religion need bend their ceremonies for my benefit...
I've often said (to friends, not on this board) that if I ever were to get religious again, I'd want something with a lot of tradition, ritual, etc; no religion-light, give me full Latin or Greek or Hebrew!
but ain't going to happen, so no religion need bend their ceremonies for my benefit...
I remind myself of this constantly ... 
2 Timothy 4:1-5 - I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
2 Timothy 4:1-5 - I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
Minister of Truth
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I enjoyed attending Latin Mass with my parents during HS and singing Gregorian Chant in the choir. I don't think the Tridentine way is necessarily the way for all Catholics, but I have always found the random other changes which were injected into new Mass to be unnecessary, if not completely stupid. To me, the changes should have been nearly undetectable to someone who is deaf.
Steelplate
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I remind myself of this constantly ...
2 Timothy 4:1-5 - I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
You see, this is where I run into moral conundrums. I am not the best Christian out there. I tend to question too much. Like the parable of the talents that PMP and I have debated. I am starting to feel that Roman politics worked it's way into the bible. In describing our Lord and savior....I would never use an analogy of a tyrannical slave owner who freely admits to stealing other people's hard work(I reap where I have not sown, I gather where I have not spread seed). To me...this SEEMS like a line to keep the slaves of the empire submissive.
Then you think of the Gnostics, who were branded as heretics...which included the Gospel of Judas Iscariot and Mary Magdalene...which gives a very different portrayal of the "betrayal of Jesus".
Truthfully? I wonder if we rely too much on ritual and doctrine and fail to use our incredible ability to love one another.
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PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
"but according to their own desires".......
The article is badly written. Too much time with the author making it about her, trying to convince us she is not too old to speak for millennials and failing.
Part of it is the culture wars which many evangelicals are too delusional to realize they have lost.
Millennials are bombarded with information like never before. But they grew up with an Internet readily available to check facts. The Internet has also made the world smaller and put them in contact with "evil" atheists who prove more honest than the believers who will tell them blatant and obvious lies. They are not so much better at detecting bullshit as the author suggests, but they have less patience for it and better tools.
Part of it is the culture wars which many evangelicals are too delusional to realize they have lost.
Millennials are bombarded with information like never before. But they grew up with an Internet readily available to check facts. The Internet has also made the world smaller and put them in contact with "evil" atheists who prove more honest than the believers who will tell them blatant and obvious lies. They are not so much better at detecting bullshit as the author suggests, but they have less patience for it and better tools.
evince
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Jesus
they long for Jesus.
I am an atheist and long for Jesus.
Jesus was the one thing western organized religion has going for it.
he was one of the worlds great philosophers.
He worked so hard to teach love.
then the churchs worked so hard to help all the power mongers stay in power.
what would jesus have done with priests who sexually abuse children?
He would not have moved them around so they could abuse new kids huh
they long for Jesus.
I am an atheist and long for Jesus.
Jesus was the one thing western organized religion has going for it.
he was one of the worlds great philosophers.
He worked so hard to teach love.
then the churchs worked so hard to help all the power mongers stay in power.
what would jesus have done with priests who sexually abuse children?
He would not have moved them around so they could abuse new kids huh
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Atheism is no less a religion than Catholicism. It is fundamentally predicated on faith
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There is a huge difference between the two. One is not believing in any "higher power", and the other is believing in a higher power. If you want to call not believing in something "faith", you are welcome to do so.
I look at it like this. Stamp collecting is a hobby. I don't collect stamps. Is my not collecting stamps a hobby too?
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False analogy. There are basic tenets of Athiesm. None of which can be proven anymore than God can be disproven. Therefore it relies on faith.
I know atheists think they are too cool for school but they have faith just like Christians. I don't expect them to admit it and I expect you like always to play semantics. You can't help being an ass.
Have a blessed day
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Are you claiming that collecting stamps doesn't exist or isn't a hobby?
No?
Bullshit analogy. Try again
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Awww, did my sarcasm hurt your widdle feelings?
Look, your faith allows you believe in something that you cannot see, hear, feel or prove exists. The fact that I do not believe in it does not mean I have faith. It means that I require proof (or at least evidence) before I believe in something (or have faith in it).
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Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite, is it??
No, I did not say that stamp collecting doesn't exist or that it isn't a hobby. I simply made the analogy that claiming atheism requires faith is like claiming not collecting stamps is a hobby.
An atheist does not have faith. An atheist does not believe in things that have no evidence for their existence.
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Just because you made the analogy doesn't make it a good one. I understood what you wrote. It was just stupid.
Question. Can Athiests prove there is no God? If they can't then they are operating on faith.
I can't prove there is a God, therefore I have faith.
There is no difference between atheists and theists in that respect. Unless you can prove scientifically there is no God?
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Atheists do not believe. There is no faith involved in not believing.
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Yes there is. They do not believe. That requires faith that it is true. You just want to be argumentative. That is OK. Doesn't make you right. But that is OK
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No, I am not being argumentative. I am arguing because you are wrong.
You believe there is a God or some spirit. That requires faith.
I do not believe there is a good or any spirit. That does not require faith at all.
You are trying to equate believing in something without proof with not believing because it cannot be disproven. THAT is a false analogy.
I do not believe. I need no proof or evidence to NOT believe.