Why millennials are leaving the church?

It's still circular reasoning PiMP! LOL

You're beginning with what you're trying to end up with. A.) Athiest dont believe. B.) Therefore athiest deny what they believe.

Such circular reasoning is a logical fallacy. You cannot prove atheist "deny what they believe" because your logic cannot provide evidence that is distinct from the conclusion you are making and thus your conclusion is a logical fallacy vis-a-vis circular reasoning.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Agnosticism is not believing...atheism is denying.....believing something does NOT exist is no less belief than believing it does.....
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That is not correct. Agnosticism is questioning the existience of God. That is, agnostics believe it is impossible for one to know with certainty if there is a God or not. Agnosticism is "not knowing" and that is not the same as "not believing".

Athiesm is the belief that there is no God or supreme being. The meaning is implied in the very word itself. The Greek root for "A Theism" is literally "With out god.".
 
WinterBorn said:
Atheists do not believe in any higher power. Some people have tried to claim that a lack of belief is, in fact, a belief. Just as someone claimed atheists are anti-American. There is no shortage of attempts to slur those who do not believe in any god.
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Your are correct. People of faith do make that argument, just as PiMP has, and as I pointed out it's a logical fallacy as it is circular reasoning.
 
evince said:
Jesus

they long for Jesus.


I am an atheist and long for Jesus.

Jesus was the one thing western organized religion has going for it.


he was one of the worlds great philosophers.



He worked so hard to teach love.


then the churchs worked so hard to help all the power mongers stay in power.


what would jesus have done with priests who sexually abuse children?


He would not have moved them around so they could abuse new kids huh
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The thing is, Jesus teachings were not that new and most of them borrowed from Eastern philosophies. Even the concept of the god man was not new, but borrowed.
 
Jarod said:
I am a Christian who does not believe in any organized Church.
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Then you're very close to being a Diest. That is pretty much what I am. To be honest....I'm really an apathist. I just don't really care for religion. It just doesn't interest me. For some it brings comfort, edification, a connection to their culture and the past, etc, etc and that's all well and good.....it just doesn't interest me.
 
Rana said:
The thing is, Jesus teachings were not that new and most of them borrowed from Eastern philosophies. Even the concept of the god man was not new, but borrowed.
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he stood in his times and spoke words of truth.


He wanted mankind to love and care for each other.


he fought the good fight and paid the ultimate price.


His ideas belonged to him as much as anyone else who thought them
 
evince said:
he stood in his times and spoke words of truth.


He wanted mankind to love and care for each other.


he fought the good fight and paid the ultimate price.


His ideas belonged to him as much as anyone else who thought them
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Whatever makes you happy.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Then you're very close to being a Diest. That is pretty much what I am. To be honest....I'm really an apathist. I just don't really care for religion. It just doesn't interest me. For some it brings comfort, edification, a connection to their culture and the past, etc, etc and that's all well and good.....it just doesn't interest me.
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The purpose religion serves most people, in my opinion, is community.
 
WinterBorn said:
There is a huge difference between the two. One is not believing in any "higher power", and the other is believing in a higher power. If you want to call not believing in something "faith", you are welcome to do so.

I look at it like this. Stamp collecting is a hobby. I don't collect stamps. Is my not collecting stamps a hobby too?
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I think where they are similar is that both sides have fundamentalists who insist they are right. The majority of Atheists and Christians believe what they do and let others do the dame. It is those that insist they are correct and ridicule/mock/condemn those that do not believe as they do that are the problem. In that way, they are very similar.

Atheism IS a religious belief. It is based upon the same question... is there a higher power or not. Obviously they are on the opposite sides of the question to Christians.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It's still circular reasoning PiMP! LOL

You're beginning with what you're trying to end up with. A.) Athiest dont believe. B.) Therefore athiest deny what they believe.

Such circular reasoning is a logical fallacy. You cannot prove atheist "deny what they believe" because your logic cannot provide evidence that is distinct from the conclusion you are making and thus your conclusion is a logical fallacy vis-a-vis circular reasoning.
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we'll run through this slowly so you can keep up....."atheists deny the existence of God" is not an argument....it was the definition of atheism from the time the word was first introduced until approximately the last ten years or so......further, the two statements do not have the same object.......a) Atheists don't believe in a deity.....b) Atheists don't believe they deny the existence of a deity.....

now, if your head has cleared perhaps we can proceed....
 
Also from Merriam-Webster

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
— ag·nos·ti·cism noun"
 
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