Why millennials are leaving the church?

WinterBorn said:
No, I am not being argumentative. I am arguing because you are wrong.

You believe there is a God or some spirit. That requires faith.

I do not believe there is a good or any spirit. That does not require faith at all.

You are trying to equate believing in something without proof with not believing because it cannot be disproven. THAT is a false analogy.

I do not believe. I need no proof or evidence to NOT believe.
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Wrong. You don't know there isn't a God do you? What if there is?

You need faith. I understand you atheists think you are too cool with your fad. But you are wrong.

We can leave it at that. I have no illusion I can change the mind of an idiot.

Have a blessed day
 
I Love America said:
Wrong. You don't know there isn't a God do you? What if there is?

You need faith. I understand you atheists think you are too cool with your fad. But you are wrong.

We can leave it at that. I have no illusion I can change the mind of an idiot.

Have a blessed day
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I did not say that I "know" anything. I simply do not believe. I also don't waste much time considering it. I am not an atheist because I think its cool. I am an atheist because I do not believe in any mumbo-jumbo about a man in the sky controlling everything.

Its a pity you are incapable of having a discussion without resorting to insults. You might learn something about people who believe differently than you do.
 
WinterBorn said:
There is a huge difference between the two. One is not believing in any "higher power", and the other is believing in a higher power. If you want to call not believing in something "faith", you are welcome to do so.

I look at it like this. Stamp collecting is a hobby. I don't collect stamps. Is my not collecting stamps a hobby too?
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Agnosticism is not believing...atheism is denying.....believing something does NOT exist is no less belief than believing it does.....
 
WinterBorn said:
I did not say that I "know" anything. I simply do not believe. I also don't waste much time considering it. I am not an atheist because I think its cool. I am an atheist because I do not believe in any mumbo-jumbo about a man in the sky controlling everything.

Its a pity you are incapable of having a discussion without resorting to insults. You might learn something about people who believe differently than you do.
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I have learned something from you. That you are as unwilling to consider new ideas as you accuse me of being.

Again, your lack of belief is really no different than my belief in that it requires faith. You falsely believe that your belief system is a passive action.

The irony about atheists is that at the core of their belief system they are anti American.
 
I Love America said:
I have learned something from you. That you are as unwilling to consider new ideas as you accuse me of being.

Again, your lack of belief is really no different than my belief in that it requires faith. You falsely believe that your belief system is a passive action.

The irony about atheists is that at the core of their belief system they are anti American.
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It IS passive. It does not require faith to not believe.

I am willing to consider new ideas. I considered the contention that atheists require faith to not believe. But after careful consideration of the idea, I rejected it as false. And I did that when I still believed in a God.


As for an atheist being anti-American at the core of their beliefs, you are full of shit. This nation is not a nation built on religion.
 
WinterBorn said:
It IS passive. It does not require faith to not believe.

I am willing to consider new ideas. I considered the contention that atheists require faith to not believe. But after careful consideration of the idea, I rejected it as false. And I did that when I still believed in a God.


As for an atheist being anti-American at the core of their beliefs, you are full of shit. This nation is not a nation built on religion.
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It is clear I have hurt your feelings. This happens when an individual is confronted with uncomfortable truths.

You formerly believing in God proves my point even further. You had faith that there was a God. You didn't have proof. You had faith. Now for whatever reason you no longer believe. That requires just as much faith. Maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word faith?

As for being anti American, there can be no other truism.

Maybe that can be an upcoming debate topic?
 
If you cant prove the easter bunny is not real then you have to just have faith hes not real.


wow this is a really weird way to flail a fail
 
I Love America said:
False analogy. There are basic tenets of Athiesm. None of which can be proven anymore than God can be disproven. Therefore it relies on faith.


I know atheists think they are too cool for school but they have faith just like Christians. I don't expect them to admit it and I expect you like always to play semantics. You can't help being an ass.

Have a blessed day
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uhhh...just checking on your logic here but why would someone require proof for something they don't believe in?
 
I don't think the earth is flat. All the evidence so far points to it being round.

I don't think there is a supreme being. All the evidence so far points to there being no supreme being.

Both of those are evidence-based; I don't consider either position "faith".

If ever proof of a flat earth or a supreme being is presented, based on evidence, I will of course consider revising my position.

Back in high school, after being raised catholic, I thought about god and realized just how irrational it was to think there was some being who not only created everything, but knows every sin, ever swear word, every good act done by billions of people for eons. Where does this "being" reside? How can there be a place that has room for everyone that has existed since humans evolved into humans? How could there be so many religions all claiming to be the "truth", many with very different deities, if there was one god? If there were many gods, where do they all sit? And how could stuff written by people somehow be a divine message? Joseph Smith got his from golden plates, he claimed; where did the early writers of the bible get their words from?

All in all, it made no sense; what makes sense is that there is no god, and that we evolved over the eons and that it's up to us to make our lives meaningful or not and that doing things because of fear of some future punishment in an afterlife is just passing the buck.
 
WinterBorn said:
Agnostics believe there might be a supreme being. Atheists do not believe there is one. That is the actual difference
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perhaps today.....I expect the atheists are seeking to change the definition because they were lonely.....before manipulation, agnostics made no claim either way, atheists denied the existence of deity......now atheists want to pretend they are really agnostics.......I suspect agnostics are looking around saying "wtf!"......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
perhaps today.....I expect the atheists are seeking to change the definition because they were lonely.....before manipulation, agnostics made no claim either way, atheists denied the existence of deity......now atheists want to pretend they are really agnostics.......I suspect agnostics are looking around saying "wtf!"......
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Atheists do not believe in any higher power. Some people have tried to claim that a lack of belief is, in fact, a belief. Just as someone claimed atheists are anti-American. There is no shortage of attempts to slur those who do not believe in any god.
 
leaningright said:
I remind myself of this constantly ... :(

2 Timothy 4:1-5 - I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
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Just the kind of thing I would write if I were afraid my people would wake up to reality, leave the strict and controlling doctrine I had set for them and seek the truth.
 
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