APP - Why should people believe in Liberalism?

[WinterBorn]

One of my history profs mentioned to me in conversation about Burr and Hamilton that they were noted for being young, handsome, dashing, and frequently successful with the ladies during their gallant war years. In some ways, they were competing right from the very start in that respect, but aside from that, I've never heard of Hamilton getting involved with any other women besides his wife and the one affair he was accused of having...

I have not heard of any other than his wife and the one other woman either. I suppose one of us could research it. But the point has been made well enough, I think.

 

[DamnYankee]

The bifurcation fallacy is committed when a false dilemma is presented, i.e. when someone is asked to choose between two options when there is at least one other option available. Of course, arguments that restrict the options to more than two but less than there really are are similarly fallacious.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/false-dilemma/

 

[WinterBorn]

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/false-dilemma/

You made the claim that the founding fathers would not indulge in sodomy because they were moral men. The information on at least some of the founding fathers showed otherwise.

 

[DamnYankee]

An occasional indiscretion does not discredit a man's life work. To do so is an example of a bifurcation fallacy.

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[WinterBorn]

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The discussion was never about their life's work. You are trying, yet again, to derail the discussion to avoid being shown as wrong.

You made the claim that the founding fathers would not have indulged in sodomy because they were moral men. That was shown to be untrue, for at least some.

 

[DamnYankee]

Prove that the founders engaged in sodomy.

 

[WinterBorn]

Prove that the founders engaged in sodomy.

I don't need to. I showed that your "they were moral men" argument was bogus for at least some of them.

 

[DamnYankee]

An occasional indiscretion does not discredit a man's life work. To do so is an example of a bifurcation fallacy.

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An occasional indiscretion does not discredit a man's life work. To do so is an example of a bifurcation fallacy.

By this assertion you would agree that people who engage in sodomy are not necessarily immoral.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Something to do with love the sinner, hate the sin...

 

[/MSG/]

Something to do with love the sinner, hate the sin...

Since this thread has basically degraded into SM making claims with no evidence (what a fucking shock), I would like to publicly express my gratitude to Threedee for his valuable counterpoints to our otherwise doppleganger trinity. You are a worth addition.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Why, thank you.

It is extremely difficult to not hate the sinner, witnessed by how many sinners I hate. Specifically, I mean, people that earn your contempt entirely due to their sins, rather than poor taste, douchebaggery, incompetence, etc.

 

[DamnYankee]

By this assertion you would agree that people who engage in sodomy are not necessarily immoral.

Awesome that you need to misrepresent my position.

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[WinterBorn]

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What I think he means is, you are flexible on morality in so many instances, and yet want to deny any flexibility on a few topics.

Or maybe thats just my own observations.