WND: Apparently the Governor Can't Find the Birth Certificate

All of this is simple distraction. Your "nobody was ever asked" is total hogwash. And then using it to race bait makes you at the very least baiter-curious. What's the matter? Ashamed of your baitey-ness?

Nobody has ever asked. And it isn't to difficult to figure out why the fact that Obama is black may have something to do with his unwillingness to release it.

And really nobody did ever ask to see McCain's birth certificate to prove his eligibility to be president. In fact, the very document that you linked to was obtained by a guy trying to prove that McCain was not a natural born citizen and was used as evidence to prove his ineligibility to be president, not to prove his eligibility.
 
i find it odd that you are so sensitive about me calling you out on racial issues....

You find it odd that I don't like being called a racist? That's weird. Is "racist" a term of endearment in your community. It isn't in mine.


you're a racist nigel...its all about the BLACK skin color for you, you obsess over it, how dare a WHITE person question a BLACK person....

You're a weird dude, Yurt. Like I said, get some help.


if you weren't a racist, you would focus on the issues and not the skin color

Yeah, and if you didn't have an intellectual inability to deal with racial issues you would understand that acknowledging the fact that race exists does not make a person a racists. But, here we are.
 
You find it odd that I don't like being called a racist? That's weird. Is "racist" a term of endearment in your community. It isn't in mine.




You're a weird dude, Yurt. Like I said, get some help.




Yeah, and if you didn't have an intellectual inability to deal with racial issues you would understand that acknowledging the fact that race exists does not make a person a racists. But, here we are.

nothing you said actually addressed my points....

are you and onceler boyfriends or brothers?
 
LOL You history re-writers never get it right, do you?

The first challenge to Obama's birth certificate came from (tada!!) DEMOCRATS who were supporting Clinton.

"These claims are promoted by a number of fringe theorists and political opponents, some of whom filed lawsuits that sought to disqualify Obama from running for, or being confirmed as, President, or to obtain additional proof that he is qualified. "

You have got to be kidding. First of all, there is not one single documented word out of Hillary's mouth that she challenged or disputed the BC. If birthers could use Hillary as their example, her words would be quoted endlessly to bolster their position.

The issue was first brought out in April, and simmered for 2 months until Obama's COLB was released in June. And the first actual law suit was filed by a man named Philip Berg, AFTER the COLB was released, but prior to the Democratic Convention.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9920

Your site, like every other RW site, uses words to this effect: "Philip Berg is close to Hillary Clinton", or "[Philip Berg] a Hillary Clinton supporter...". None of these sites quote actual words from Berg or Hillary that corroborate a relationship. It's not a logical to go from "supporter"---which could mean someone who made a contribution--- to friend, co-worker, campaign adviser, confidante or whatever relationship RWs are trying to suggest about the two. If you can supply some actual words from either person that confirm Hillary had questions about Obama's BC, I'll be happy to say I'm wrong, but the words have to be specific.

We even discussed it in several threads on this very site.
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=13413
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=13412

Oh, and the issue of McCain's birth and eligibility was also discussed right here, and was done so BEFORE Obama's eligibility was challenged:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=9176

I never questioned McCain's eligibility. Also, that thread, esp. post 46, perfectly explains why Obama is eligible. Even if he was born overseas, according to Title 8 he'd still be okay: Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

So, it seems to me that some democrats fed off each other's bovine cookies, and used what seemed a good idea againstg McCain, and tried to turn it against Obama.

Why do all the points made in the thread you cited apply to McCain but not to Obama?

So, how about you Obama butt kissers quit the fucking lies?

Sorry, you must be mistaking me for someone else. I supported Hillary until she withdrew, and I don't recall her ever questioning Obama's BC. As far as I'm concerned it's up to birthers to provide proof of Hillary's connivance with Berg, not mine.

How about you guys dealing with the facts for a change?
 
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I have seen that document many times. What I have not seen is a single shred of evidence that McCain produced it. Nor have I seen anything attesting to its authenticity. Do you have a link for that, hotshot? I'd also appreciate a link to the assertion that the U.S. Senate demanded to see it. I'm calling bullshit.
LOL You fucking loser HACK. HOW could there be images of McCain's BC if he did not release it? Why do we not have an image of Obama's original if people can get images of original BCs without the person's approval? What is this entire controversy about, besides we do NOT have Obama's original because he WON'T RELEASE IT? You ARE the dumbest fuck in existence. Go listen to your precious amp turned up to 11 you fucking moron.

He is being singled out.
Hack moron fucking brain dead lying loser. Go put your tin foil hat on before the remaining donkey shit you call brains leaks out your ears.
 
"These claims are promoted by a number of fringe theorists and political opponents, some of whom filed lawsuits that sought to disqualify Obama from running for, or being confirmed as, President, or to obtain additional proof that he is qualified. "

You have got to be kidding. First of all, there is not one single documented word out of Hillary's mouth that she challenged or disputed the BC. If birthers could use Hillary as their example, her words would be quoted endlessly to bolster their position.
Is there a single liberal here that does not need a reading comprehension course? My post CLEARLY said Clinton SUPPORTERS, not Clinton herself. Grow a fucking brain. (No wait, you'd have to clear your skull of donkey shit first.)

Your site, like every other RW site, uses words to this effect: "Philip Berg is close to Hillary Clinton", or "[Philip Berg] a Hillary Clinton supporter...". None of these sites quote actual words from Berg or Hillary that corroborate a relationship. It's not a logical to go from "supporter"---which could mean someone who made a contribution--- to friend, co-worker, campaign adviser, confidante or whatever relationship RWs are trying to suggest about the two. If you can supply some actual words from either person that confirm Hillary had questions about Obama's BC, I'll be happy to say I'm wrong, but the words have to be specific.
So what is YOUR theory? Did Berg challenged Obama's eligibility, even file a lawsuit about it just before the convention, because he wanted Clinton to LOSE? LOL You people are the most pathetic brain dead hacks there are.

I never questioned McCain's eligibility. Also, that thread, esp. post 46, perfectly explains why Obama is eligible. Even if he was born overseas, according to Title 8 he'd still be okay: Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
So you represent the entirety of the democratic party? If not, what the fuck does what YOU thought have to do with the FACT that McCain's eligibility was challenged, a challenge that ended up in a Senate hearing? YOU made the claim that NO ONE ELSE had to cough up their BC, or that McCains was only brought up because of Obama's. That is, quite obviously, a bald faced LIE on your part.

Why do all the points made in the thread you cited apply to McCain but not to Obama?
Because the POINT, you brain dead twit, is that you are fucking LIAR with your bullshit claims that Obama is being singled out for unusual treatment.
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The only reason McCain's BC was mentioned at all was as a response to all the RW wackjob birther nonsense about Obama.
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The birther nonsense started when it was clear Obama was going to beat Hillary in the primaries, and then McCain got included also. What is your reason for Obama being singled out first?
LIES - McCain's eligibility was challenged BEFORE Obama's, when everyone still thought Obama's chances were next to zero.

Sorry, you must be mistaking me for someone else. I supported Hillary until she withdrew, and I don't recall her ever questioning Obama's BC. As far as I'm concerned it's up to birthers to provide proof of Hillary's connivance with Berg, not mine.
Again, where did I say CLINTON did anything? But some who supported her certainly did. I never claimed any "connivance" between Clinton and Berg. But the FACTS (which you don't deal with, but want us to? hypocrite.) are that the first shots at Obama's eligibility came from fellow democrats, NOT from the right wing as you are LYING about, and BERG, a DEMOCRAT, filed the first lawsuit trying to force Obama to release his original birth certificate.

How about you guys dealing with the facts for a change?
When the "facts" you refer to are the LIES you try to propagate, no thanks. I have the REAL facts that you spin like an out of control blender. Do you actually believe your own shit?
 
Nobody has ever asked. And it isn't to difficult to figure out why the fact that Obama is black may have something to do with his unwillingness to release it.

And really nobody did ever ask to see McCain's birth certificate to prove his eligibility to be president. In fact, the very document that you linked to was obtained by a guy trying to prove that McCain was not a natural born citizen and was used as evidence to prove his ineligibility to be president, not to prove his eligibility.
Again, it's simply not even close to reality, not only did they ask, they asked at the same time for the same thing.

And rubbish. I linked earlier to a lawsuit directly for his BC because of eligibility questions. It's like you live in a dream world where reality doesn't have power over your mind.

But since you want to make up your own reality to fit your baitey-ness...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10006

There's another link to the same thing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html

Here's the link from earlier. Are you going to say again he was "never asked"? Total fiction. You fabricate your own history in your mind because you really really wanted it to be about race.
 
Why did this whole mess come up in the first place? None of the candidates below was asked to produce a BC when they announced candidacy.

# Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York
# John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina
# Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico
# Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio
# Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware
# Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska
# Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut
# Tom Vilsack, former Governor of Iowa
# Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator from Indiana
# Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas
# Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts
# Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas
# Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee
# Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California
# Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City
# Sam Brownback, U.S. Senator from Kansas
# Jim Gilmore, former Governor of Virginia
# Tom Tancredo, former U.S. Representative from Colorado
# Tommy Thompson, former Governor of Wisconsin

The birther nonsense started when it was clear Obama was going to beat Hillary in the primaries, and then McCain got included also. What is your reason for Obama being singled out first?

This is completely disingenuous. Both final presidential candidates were asked to provide this documentation, and only The Obama refuses to comply.
 
Yeah, that's got nothing to do with getting a driver's license.

You just kinda make this shit up as you go along, huh?
You have repeatedly asked for, and I've presented to you, facts, and in a simple format. Then you pretend you don't understand. You are a political hack, nothing more.
 
You have repeatedly asked for, and I've presented you, with simple facts and then you pretend you don't understand. You are a political hack, nothing more.


I'm not pretending anything. You said that Obama couldn't get a driver's license with a COLB and in support of that you linked to proving eligibility to participate in the Hawaii Home Lands program, which is entirely different.
 
I'm not pretending anything. You said that Obama couldn't get a driver's license with a COLB and in support of that you linked to proving eligibility to participate in the Hawaii Home Lands program, which is entirely different.
Now your splitting hairs.
 
1. :lol: So if the Obama claims something that's proof? The only thing that proves is that you are a partisan hack.
2. My example was of states withholding their electoral votes. They can do it for any legal reason.

When the state of Hawaii claims something, that's proof. Demonstrate why it's not.
 
1. Again, here is the statute:

As originally posted here, where you were a party to the conversation:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=753065&postcount=130

2. I'll take that as to you not being man enough to admit I am right and you are wrong.

Where in the statute does it say that the BC will state the child was born in Hawaii? The truth is, it may be issued in Hawaii but will name the actual place of birth, Hawaii or otherwise.

"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
 
Moving the goal posts. What makes a "birther" is the belief he is ineligible because of where they believe he was born.

Normal healthy curiosity about what he is hiding on a document we've all had to produce at one time or another is not the same thing.

Much like his college records, we know Bush's and Kerry's grades, we got nada from Obama. I don't know of anybody we know less about elected to even Governor of a state, let alone the Executive of the USofA.

Nada? Politifact says this is false.

"As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver's license record from the Illinois Secretary of State's office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
 
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