WND: Apparently the Governor Can't Find the Birth Certificate

christiefan915 said:
Then they're idiots. The presumption that there is something to hide on the document is what makes them birthers.

I notice you said "what he has to hide", not "if he has something to hide".

You've worded your statement to claim that something damning really exists, and only needs to be shown.
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That's because no other logical or rational explanation exists. Why do you "non-birthers" continue to avoid this simple logic? If there is nothing to hide, and no reason for not revealing the original birth certificate, why hasn't Obama done that yet? Do you have a rational explanation or not? So far, I haven't heard one, you just keep waving around the COLB and claiming that proves what it doesn't prove.
 
Good Luck said:
Say the person who hasn't a foggy fucking clue what the Constitution actually says. Go learn something before you spout off your sheer and total ignorance.

Hint: in addition to Article II giving full control of the Electoral College to the state legislatures, the 10th Amendment states specifically that if a power is not specified to the federal government, then it is reserved to the states, or the people. Since nowhere in the Constitution does it give the federal government power to determine eligibility, then that power IS delegated to the states.


LOL Are your REALLY going to stand by the idea that state identity laws do not include origin of birth? Mindless twit. Try getting your head out of the donkey's ass just ONCE in your pathetic life.
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People have been debating the intent of the Constitution since it was written.

The words are open for discussion and to claim you know what it says, when the courts are still debating it and will as long as the Republic stands, seems kind of boastful.
 
Dixie said:
That's because no other logical or rational explanation exists. Why do you "non-birthers" continue to avoid this simple logic? If there is nothing to hide, and no reason for not revealing the original birth certificate, why hasn't Obama done that yet? Do you have a rational explanation or not? So far, I haven't heard one, you just keep waving around the COLB and claiming that proves what it doesn't prove.
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Why did this whole mess come up in the first place? None of the candidates below was asked to produce a BC when they announced candidacy.

# Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York
# John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina
# Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico
# Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio
# Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware
# Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska
# Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut
# Tom Vilsack, former Governor of Iowa
# Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator from Indiana
# Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas
# Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts
# Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas
# Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee
# Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California
# Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City
# Sam Brownback, U.S. Senator from Kansas
# Jim Gilmore, former Governor of Virginia
# Tom Tancredo, former U.S. Representative from Colorado
# Tommy Thompson, former Governor of Wisconsin

The birther nonsense started when it was clear Obama was going to beat Hillary in the primaries, and then McCain got included also. What is your reason for Obama being singled out first?
 
Rana said:
People have been debating the intent of the Constitution since it was written.

The words are open for discussion and to claim you know what it says, when the courts are still debating it and will as long as the Republic stands, seems kind of boastful.
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LOL Talk about your bullshit rebuttals.

I DO know what is says. I even posted exactly what it says. Here is a link to the exact words of the Constitution:
http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/constitution/

And here is another:
http://www.usconstitution.net/

Anyone can read it, and (assuming they are thinking individuals) answer basic questions such as who has the authority to determine if a candidate for federal office is Constitutionally qualified.

No, the words are NOT "open for discussion". That is the claim of the big mommy government totalitarians who do not LIKE what it says, so lean on the idea that it needs "interpreting". What the courts actually SUPPOSED to debate is NOT the "meaning" Constitution (it says what it says), but how laws and/or other actions of our government(s) fit - or do not fit - within the limits of the Constitution.

I do apologize, however, if being able to read is "boastful".
 
christiefan915 said:
Then they're idiots. The presumption that there is something to hide on the document is what makes them birthers.
Thats just plain wrong..."birthers" believe Obama is not a US citizen....
nothing more and nothing less....

I notice you said "what he has to hide", not "if he has something to hide".

You've worded your statement to claim that something damning really exists, and only needs to be shown.
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Lets try an exercise in common sense....

If I have a document, and I refuse to show it to you for no apparently sound reason....

would common sense make you suspect I was HIDING the document because I didn't want you to know what it said....you would certainly suspect I was hiding it to keep something from you, wouldn't you?
 
christiefan915 said:
Then they're idiots. The presumption that there is something to hide on the document is what makes them birthers.

I notice you said "what he has to hide", not "if he has something to hide".

You've worded your statement to claim that something damning really exists, and only needs to be shown.
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Moving the goal posts. What makes a "birther" is the belief he is ineligible because of where they believe he was born.

Normal healthy curiosity about what he is hiding on a document we've all had to produce at one time or another is not the same thing.

Much like his college records, we know Bush's and Kerry's grades, we got nada from Obama. I don't know of anybody we know less about elected to even Governor of a state, let alone the Executive of the USofA.
 
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June 16, 2008

Q: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?

Is Barack Obama a "natural-born citizen"? It is hard to believe he could get this far in the electoral process and not have a sufficient answer to this question, I admit, but has his birth certificate been disclosed?


A: Yes. His campaign made a copy public after speculation by conservative bloggers that he might not be a "natural-born citizen."

We asked for and received a copy from the Obama campaign. It is too large to display full size on this page, but you may click on this link to see a copy of the document just as we received it.

It indicates Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu. That should be no surprise, as it merely documents what Obama and his biographers have always said. But the document should put to rest groundless speculation raised on some conservative Web sites that Obama might not have been born in the U.S. and therefore might not qualify under the Constitution as a "natural-born citizen" to be president.

The speculation was not based on any evidence. Bloggers raised questions based on the absence of evidence, specifically the lack of a publicly available copy of a birth certificate and the supposed "secrecy" surrounding it. For example, the conservative World Net Daily posted a June 10 article with the headline, "Is Obama's candidacy constitutional?; Secrecy over birth certificate, demand for 'natural-born' citizenship cited." Soon after, some of our readers began asking us the same thing.


http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
 
Damocles said:
Moving the goal posts. What makes a "birther" is the belief he is ineligible because of where they believe he was born.

Normal healthy curiosity about what he is hiding on a document we've all had to produce at one time or another is not the same thing.

Much like his college records, we know Bush's and Kerry's grades, we got nada from Obama. I don't know of anybody we know less about elected to even Governor of a state, let alone the Executive of the USofA.
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Read my post #83. Something made a group of people think there's a problem about the content of Obama's BC that isn't being divulged. What is that "something", and why weren't the other 19 candidates vetted publicly about theirs?
 
bravo said:
Lets try an exercise in common sense....

If I have a document, and I refuse to show it to you for no apparently sound reason....

would common sense make you suspect I was HIDING the document because I didn't want you to know what it said....you would certainly suspect I was hiding it to keep something from you, wouldn't you?
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Oh, please. First the birthers wanted documentation that Obama was born in the U.S. and when they got it, they moved the goalposts to say that the particular document wasn't good enough. If the governor of Hawaii produces another document, supposedly the "real" document, birthers will claim that Obama had two years to fake a copy and wouldn't believe it, either.

In answer to your question, Obama didn't refuse to show anything. It's that birthers didn't accept what he showed.
 
christiefan915 said:
Why did this whole mess come up in the first place? None of the candidates below was asked to produce a BC when they announced candidacy.

# Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York
# John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina
# Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico
# Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio
# Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware
# Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska
# Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut
# Tom Vilsack, former Governor of Iowa
# Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator from Indiana
# Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas
# Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts
# Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas
# Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee
# Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California
# Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City
# Sam Brownback, U.S. Senator from Kansas
# Jim Gilmore, former Governor of Virginia
# Tom Tancredo, former U.S. Representative from Colorado
# Tommy Thompson, former Governor of Wisconsin

The birther nonsense started when it was clear Obama was going to beat Hillary in the primaries, and then McCain got included also. What is your reason for Obama being singled out first?
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As a matter of fact....Hillary and/or her campaign were the ones that amde it an issue.
 
Bfgrn said:
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June 16, 2008

Q: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?

Is Barack Obama a "natural-born citizen"? It is hard to believe he could get this far in the electoral process and not have a sufficient answer to this question, I admit, but has his birth certificate been disclosed?


A: Yes. His campaign made a copy public after speculation by conservative bloggers that he might not be a "natural-born citizen."

We asked for and received a copy from the Obama campaign. It is too large to display full size on this page, but you may click on this link to see a copy of the document just as we received it.

It indicates Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu. That should be no surprise, as it merely documents what Obama and his biographers have always said. But the document should put to rest groundless speculation raised on some conservative Web sites that Obama might not have been born in the U.S. and therefore might not qualify under the Constitution as a "natural-born citizen" to be president.

The speculation was not based on any evidence. Bloggers raised questions based on the absence of evidence, specifically the lack of a publicly available copy of a birth certificate and the supposed "secrecy" surrounding it. For example, the conservative World Net Daily posted a June 10 article with the headline, "Is Obama's candidacy constitutional?; Secrecy over birth certificate, demand for 'natural-born' citizenship cited." Soon after, some of our readers began asking us the same thing.


http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
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Thats not the issue here you moron....the issue is why can't the BC be made public ?

THAT is the ONLY ISSUE IN QUESTION
 
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bravo said:
As a matter of fact....Hillary and/or her campaign were the ones that amde it an issue.
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I'm sure you won't have a problem providing a link to this.

And that doesn't answer the question about why birthers singled out Obama from the field of candidates to question his birthplace.
 
christiefan915 said:
I'm sure you won't have a problem providing a link to this.

And that doesn't answer the question about why birthers singled out Obama from the field of candidates to question his birthplace.
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Ummm, just maybe it was the fact that of all candidates, only Obama had a foreign-born father and was known to have lived outside the U.S. for at least part of his childhood?

While the issue has been pushed way beyond bounds by conspiracy minded idiots, your persecution insinuation is no less ridiculous.
 
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Damocles said:
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.

Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again today another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an interview with the governor.

Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birthcertificate. How is that coming?"

In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have "political implications" for the next presidential election "that we simply cannot have."

Read more: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833#ixzz1BayEjbPn
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APNewsBreak: Hawaii won't release Obama birth info
(AP) – 28 minutes ago

HONOLULU (AP) — Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie will end his quest to prove President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii because it's against state law to release private documents, his office said Friday.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor he can't disclose an individual's birth documentation without a person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said.

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president."

Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, launched an effort last month to find a way to dispel conspiracy theories that the president was born elsewhere. The governor said at the time he was bothered by people who questioned Obama's birthplace for political reasons.

But Abercrombie's investigation reached a dead end when Louie told him the law restricted his options.

Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest.
So-called "birthers" claim Obama is ineligible to be president because they say there's no proof he was born in the United States, with many of the skeptics questioning whether he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country.

Hawaii's health director said in 2008 and 2009 that she had seen and verified Obama's original vital records, and birth notices in two Honolulu newspapers were published within days of Obama's birth at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu.
Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo again confirmed Friday that Obama's name is found in its alphabetical list of names of people born in Hawaii, maintained in bound copies available for public view.

That information, called index data, shows a listing for "Obama II, Barack Hussein, Male," according to the department's website. The president was born Aug. 4, 1961.

"The index is just to say who has their records within the department. That's an indication," Okubo said. "I can't talk about anyone's records."

The Obama campaign issued a certificate of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's birth date, city and name, along with his parents' names and races.
 
christiefan915 said:
I'm sure you won't have a problem providing a link to this.

And that doesn't answer the question about why birthers singled out Obama from the field of candidates to question his birthplace.
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Try google moron, I'm not going to search shit for you that you can do for yourself.

And all you strawman crap doesn't answer the question....what the fuck is so secret about a birth certificate? or just admit it doesn't exist and be done with it.
 
What I find fascinating about our bither bumpkins is that the vast majority of them are carrying OFFICIAL COPIES of their birth certificates....of which they can use as identification for banking purposes, to obtain passports, driver's licenses, etc.

If the same absurd standards to were applied to them as they want to do for current President, our birther bumpkins would be running to Jacoby and Meyers in droves!
 
The Obama campaign issued a certificate of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's birth date, city and name, along with his parents' names and races.
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A "Certification of Birth" is not a "Certificate of Live Birth" they are two distinctly different documents. What the Obama campaign released (not issued) was something that anyone, including myself, can obtain from the Hawaii Dept. of HR. It does NOT prove Obama was indeed BORN in Hawaii. The document needed for that, is called a "Certificate of Live Birth" and is issued by the hospital at the time of birth, it includes the name of the attending physician and his signature, and is notarized.

IF... Obama would release the Certificate of Live Birth, the entire "birther" movement would evaporate. There would still remain a few nutbags and conspiracy theorists, but we will always have those, regardless of who the president is. Now, you fuckwits can keep yammering about this, throwing up the COB as if it were an actual birth certificate, and denigrating those who don't ignorantly accept it as that, but this controversy isn't going away.
 
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