WND: Apparently the Governor Can't Find the Birth Certificate

[PostmodernProphet]

What I find fascinating about our bither bumpkins is that the vast majority of them are carrying OFFICIAL COPIES of their birth certificates....of which they can use as identification for banking purposes, to obtain passports, driver's licenses, etc.

If the same absurd standards to were applied to them as they want to do for current President, our birther bumpkins would be running to Jacoby and Meyers in droves!

actually, what has been released is not sufficient for obtaining a passport in the US.......not sure about driver's licenses, that varies from state to state.....I know that when my son renewed his license down in Florida last time we had to get a certified copy of the original and overnight it to him so his license didn't expire.....so at the very least, Obama couldn't get a driver's license in Florida......

 

[Damocles]

Read my post #83. Something made a group of people think there's a problem about the content of Obama's BC that isn't being divulged. What is that "something", and why weren't the other 19 candidates vetted publicly about theirs?

This is nonsense, we know at least one who was and it was the candidate for the same election who ran for the other major party.

The other candidates also released many secondary documents and did not fight so hard to keep them hidden. As I stated we not only knew the grades of the previous two candidates, but we saw military records and other documents less normal than a simple birth certificate.

Almost all of this are simply excuses from people who also fear what he has to hide because they like his policy and don't want anything discovered that might make it more difficult for him to continue to win. Usually such people would have massive curiosity about how many military records Bush was "hiding" even after he had reams released. Their natural curiosity is only silenced by their fear that his action shows that there is something to hide.

As for "what" it is he is hiding, that can only be determined with information. Hence my curiosity. If any candidate tried to hide such normal documentation, I would be curious and will be curious.

 

[christiefan915]

Ummm, just maybe it was the fact that of all candidates, only Obama had a foreign-born father and was known to have lived outside the U.S. for at least part of his childhood?

While the issue has been pushed way beyond bounds by conspiracy minded idiots, your persecution insinuation is no less ridiculous.

Obama announced his candidacy on February 10, 2007. From that day on his business was out there for anybody to investigate, including the states and the feds. The birther nonsense began receiving attention in mid-2008, over one year later, following Obama's victory in the Democratic primaries, in late 2008–early 2009 with regard to the Electoral College vote and Obama's inauguration, and later during various court proceedings.

Apparently you want me to think that in mid-2008 somebody suddenly had an "aha!" moment and decided it was time for Obama's birthplace to be investigated.

Sorry, not buying it.

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[Minister of Truth]

Try google moron, I'm not going to search shit for you that you can do for yourself.

And all you strawman crap doesn't answer the question....what the fuck is so secret about a birth certificate? or just admit it doesn't exist and be done with it.

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Just about every document within the DoD, AF, and ANG with my name and information on it is stamped with "Do Not Disclose Under..." this law, so I'm used to seeing it referenced by now.

 

[christiefan915]

Try google moron, I'm not going to search shit for you that you can do for yourself.

And all you strawman crap doesn't answer the question....what the fuck is so secret about a birth certificate? or just admit it doesn't exist and be done with it.

I googled and found zip, that's why I asked you. I think you know there's no such connection.

Birthers like you move the goal posts with every action the man takes. Thank God he's not pandering to your conspiracies any more.

 

[christiefan915]

This is nonsense, we know at least one who was and it was the candidate for the same election who ran for the other major party.

The other candidates also released many secondary documents and did not fight so hard to keep them hidden. As I stated we not only knew the grades of the previous two candidates, but we saw military records and other documents less normal than a simple birth certificate.

Almost all of this are simply excuses from people who also fear what he has to hide because they like his policy and don't want anything discovered that might make it more difficult for him to continue to win. Usually such people would have massive curiosity about how many military records Bush was "hiding" even after he had reams released. Their natural curiosity is only silenced by their fear that his action shows that there is something to hide.

As for "what" it is he is hiding, that can only be determined with information. Hence my curiosity. If any candidate tried to hide such normal documentation, I would be curious and will be curious.

C'mon Damocles, you're smarter than this.

1. Obama announces candidacy February 2007.

2. April-May 2008 birther conspiracies start.

3. Obama releases official, legal documentation June 2008.

4. Birthers announce it's not good enough.

Now who moved the goal posts, Damocles? Certainly not Obama.

This is nothing but the birther version of a swiftboat campaign but fortunately this one didn't work.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

except C isn't true.....why do you pretend it is?......the Hawaii governor would like to release it.....he's been put in his place by other officials who remind him it can't be done without Obama's permission, Obama won't give that permission.....why?......

 

[Damocles]

C'mon Damocles, you're smarter than this.

1. Obama announces candidacy February 2007.

2. April-May 2008 birther conspiracies start.

3. Obama releases official, legal documentation June 2008.

4. Birthers announce it's not good enough.

Now who moved the goal posts, Damocles? Certainly not Obama.

This is nothing but the birther version of a swiftboat campaign but fortunately this one didn't work.

Nobody. Again, we have far more information about each of those on your "list", every one of them, than we have about Obama. Nobody has seemed to work so hard to erase historical footprints and hide all personal information...

I am interested as to what he has to hide, because he has acted like somebody who has something to hide.

 

[zappasguitar]

Nobody. Again, we have far more information about each of those on your "list", every one of them, than we have about Obama. Nobody has seemed to work so hard to erase historical footprints and hide all personal information...

I am interested as to what he has to hide, because he has acted like somebody who has something to hide.

Nice try...

This is nothing more than payback from bitter Righties who watched while Democrats made GWB's missing months in TANG a big deal.

So Obama is trying to "erase historical footprints and hide all personal information"?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's why there wasn't one...but TWO different birth announcements in the Honolulu papers the week of Barack's birth.

The bottom line is he satisfied the requirements as stated by law and it just gives you Tightie Righties a dreadful case of the red-ass that you couldn't find a way to derail his campaign back in 08.

 

[Damocles]

Nice try...

This is nothing more than payback from bitter Righties who watched while Democrats made GWB's missing months in TANG a big deal.

So Obama is trying to "erase historical footprints and hide all personal information"?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's why there wasn't one...but TWO different birth announcements in the Honolulu papers the week of Barack's birth.

The bottom line is he satisfied the requirements as stated by law and it just gives you Tightie Righties a dreadful case of the red-ass that you couldn't find a way to derail his campaign back in 08.

 

[Bonestorm]

This is nonsense, we know at least one who was and it was the candidate for the same election who ran for the other major party.

The other candidates also released many secondary documents and did not fight so hard to keep them hidden. As I stated we not only knew the grades of the previous two candidates, but we saw military records and other documents less normal than a simple birth certificate.

Almost all of this are simply excuses from people who also fear what he has to hide because they like his policy and don't want anything discovered that might make it more difficult for him to continue to win. Usually such people would have massive curiosity about how many military records Bush was "hiding" even after he had reams released. Their natural curiosity is only silenced by their fear that his action shows that there is something to hide.

As for "what" it is he is hiding, that can only be determined with information. Hence my curiosity. If any candidate tried to hide such normal documentation, I would be curious and will be curious.

Um, what "normal documentation" has Obama hidden? Please be as specific as possible in your response.

 

[Damocles]

Um, what "normal documentation" has Obama hidden? Please be as specific as possible in your response.

Again, every single citizen has at one time or another shown a copy of their original birth certificate to a government that required it. Including McCain's release of his during the 2008 election campaign (because the original "birthers" were Democrats trying to shut down a McCain campaign).

It's normal for any Presidential candidate to release college records, travel records and many other documents that we do not see from this particular President. The effort taken to keep this information hidden is what drives the curiosity that you try so hard to silence.

 

[Bonestorm]

Again, every single citizen has at one time or another shown a copy of their original birth certificate to a government that required it.

We aren't talking about citizens. We are talking about candidates for the presidency of the United States. Which candidates, other than Obama, produced their birth certificates?

It's normal for any Presidential candidate to release college records, travel records and many other documents that we do not see from this particular President. The effort taken to keep this information hidden is what drives the curiosity that you try so hard to silence.

Be specific. What types of college records are normally produced? Bush and Kerry released their transcripts but McCain did not release his. Not sure about Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, GHWB or Reagan, but my best guess is that not all of them produced their college transcripts. And what specific travel records have other presidential candidates produced that Obama did not?

More importantly, why does any of this trivial shit matter to anyone anywhere such that it is important for it to be produced? I mean, you say you knwo less about Obama than any other presidential candidate in history and the most you can come up with is you don't know what grades he got in college and where he traveled? That's pretty fucking weak.

 

[Damocles]

We aren't talking about citizens. We are talking about candidates for the presidency of the United States. Which candidates, other than Obama, produced their birth certificates?




Be specific. What types of college records are normally produced? Bush and Kerry released their transcripts but McCain did not release his. Not sure about Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, GHWB or Reagan, but my best guess is that not all of them produced their college transcripts. And what specific travel records have other presidential candidates produced that Obama did not?

More importantly, why does any of this trivial shit matter to anyone anywhere such that it is important for it to be produced? I mean, you say you knwo less about Obama than any other presidential candidate in history and the most you can come up with is you don't know what grades he got in college and where he traveled? That's pretty fucking weak.

Yes, we are talking about citizens. Hopefully natural born ones, unashamed to show simple documents required consistently from other citizens.

Let's use say your or I applying for a less important job where we use our college records to show our qualifications. Often the places who hire us will require simple things like grade transcripts and other documentation as well. If we go up higher, we can read papers written by past Presidential candidates, know their grades, seen their documentation as to their military record (and that was just one election previous).

It's silly to ignore what we have seen in our lifetimes because you want to shut up people who are curious as to what might be hidden in documents we would normally see from somebody seeking employment at our business.

 

[Bonestorm]

Yes, we are talking about citizens. Hopefully natural born ones, unashamed to show simple documents required consistently from other citizens.

Actually, your assertion was that Obama was hiding "normal documentation" produced by other candidates so we are talking about presidential candidates.

 

[Damocles]

Just in case, I edited my previous post.

 

[Damocles]

Actually, your assertion was that Obama was hiding "normal documentation" produced by other candidates so we are talking about presidential candidates.

All of them are citizens. Read the post previous to this one, I added to it. It's silly to ignore the demand of military records from Bush, while supporting the distraction from this candidate.

 

[Bonestorm]

Yes, we are talking about citizens. Hopefully natural born ones, unashamed to show simple documents required consistently from other citizens.

Let's use say your or I applying for a less important job where we use our college records to show our qualifications. Often the places who hire us will require simple things like grade transcripts and other documentation as well. If we go up higher, we can read papers written by past Presidential candidates, know their grades, seen their documentation as to their military record (and that was just one election previous).

It's silly to ignore what we have seen in our lifetimes because you want to shut up people who are curious as to what might be hidden in documents we would normally see from somebody seeking employment at our business.

Again, be specific. What specific documents has Obama not produced that are normally produced? Certainly not birth certificates because no other candidate to my knowledge produced theirs. Certainly not college transcripts because John McCain didn't produce his.

It's abundantly clear that you're just starting from a conclusion (we don't know anything about Obama) and trying desperately to assemble facts to support it when there really isn't much there, so you end up with vague bullshit about travel records.

 

[Damocles]

Again, be specific. What specific documents has Obama not produced that are normally produced? Certainly not birth certificates because no other candidate to my knowledge produced theirs. Certainly not college transcripts because John McCain didn't produce his.

It's abundantly clear that you're just starting from a conclusion (we don't know anything about Obama) and trying desperately to assemble facts to support it when there really isn't much there, so you end up with vague bullshit about travel records.

I've been relatively specific.

Why do we, as people who are looking into qualifications not demand simple things like transcripts from Columbia, his thesis? Things we have seen from other candidates quite consistently and for the very reason that they are applying for the highest office in this land?

How about the campaign donor analysis from 7 major watchdog groups? Again, something very normal to see from a candidate whether they have won or lost.

How about his Illinois State Senate records? Yes, very salient information that we almost always see from candidates. Shoot, even his schedule has been taken out of reach.

We have in the past demanded medical records from candidates and Presidents. But this one, no. Just look over there.... These are not the droids you are looking for...

Selective service records. Another one that we often require from such a candidate.

Passport records. Yup. Still another that we undeniably have seen from other candidates.

SAT and LSAT scores, another one required from employers who are seeking to hire somebody for even less important jobs.

These are a portion of the documents that we regularly see from candidates even for lower offices, and are required when applying for jobs regularly from any regular citizen, let alone a Presidential candidate. Some of them are things I have regularly had to provide, shoot just to get a clearance I had to provide far more information than this. The importance of the position should open more curiosity rather than less from the citizens who would vote for him.

 

[Bonestorm]

I've been relatively specific.

Why do we, as people who are looking into qualifications not demand simple things like transcripts from Columbia, his thesis? Things we have seen from other candidates quite consistently and for the very reason that they are applying for the highest office in this land?

How about the campaign donor analysis from 7 major watchdog groups? Again, something very normal to see from a candidate whether they have won or lost.

How about his Illinois State Senate records? Yes, very salient information that we almost always see from candidates. Shoot, even his schedule has been taken out of reach.

We have in the past demanded medical records from candidates and Presidents. But this one, no. Just look over there.... These are not the droids you are looking for...

Selective service records. Another one that we often require from such a candidate.

Passport records. Yup. Still another that we undeniably have seen from other candidates.

SAT and LSAT scores, another one required from employers who are seeking to hire somebody for even less important jobs.

These are a portion of the documents that we regularly see from candidates even for lower offices, and are required when applying for jobs regularly from any regular citizen, let alone a Presidential candidate. Some of them are things I have regularly had to provide, shoot just to get a clearance I had to provide far more information than this. The importance of the position should open more curiosity rather than less from the citizens who would vote for him.

You're full of shit. The only thing that others have routinely produced are college records (although often the media obtained and released the stuff, not the candidate) and the types of information is spotty at best. The rest is stuff that some candidates produced while others did not.