WND: Apparently the Governor Can't Find the Birth Certificate

[Damocles]

You're full of shit. The only thing that others have routinely produced are college records (although often the media obtained and released the stuff, not the candidate) and the types of information is spotty at best. The rest is stuff that some candidates produced while others did not.

Translation: You are right, Damocles. We've often seen this type of documentation from past candidates, and have demanded more from special candidates like GWB. We'll ignore that, because zero documents from one of them is good enough for me, because I have a "D" by my name when I go in to vote and so does he!

 

[christiefan915]

except C isn't true.....why do you pretend it is?......the Hawaii governor would like to release it.....he's been put in his place by other officials who remind him it can't be done without Obama's permission, Obama won't give that permission.....why?......

Try to follow. I'm talking about why birthers don't accept the legal, official form that was released in 2008. Why did they move the goal posts again?

 

[christiefan915]

Nobody. Again, we have far more information about each of those on your "list", every one of them, than we have about Obama. Nobody has seemed to work so hard to erase historical footprints and hide all personal information...

I am interested as to what he has to hide, because he has acted like somebody who has something to hide.

If birthers didn't believe the first legal and official documentation, why should anyone think they'll believe another document?

Let's be honest. The only people keeping this conspiracy theory alive are those who don't want Obama as president (for whatever reason), and aren't above stooping to dirty tricks and ginning up controversy to cast doubt on his legitimacy. It's swiftboating all over again.

 

[christiefan915]

Nice try...

This is nothing more than payback from bitter Righties who watched while Democrats made GWB's missing months in TANG a big deal.

So Obama is trying to "erase historical footprints and hide all personal information"?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's why there wasn't one...but TWO different birth announcements in the Honolulu papers the week of Barack's birth.

The bottom line is he satisfied the requirements as stated by law and it just gives you Tightie Righties a dreadful case of the red-ass that you couldn't find a way to derail his campaign back in 08.

Even if they criticize the BC, there's just no way around the 48-year old newspaper announcements. That is, unless another conspiracy theory is created to explain their existence.

 

[christiefan915]

Again, every single citizen has at one time or another shown a copy of their original birth certificate to a government that required it. Including McCain's release of his during the 2008 election campaign (because the original "birthers" were Democrats trying to shut down a McCain campaign).

It's normal for any Presidential candidate to release college records, travel records and many other documents that we do not see from this particular President. The effort taken to keep this information hidden is what drives the curiosity that you try so hard to silence.

I don't recall grade transcripts being an issue until the 2000 election. Did Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, GHWB release college records?

Why haven't we read a single article about the BCs of the other 19 candidates who originally started campaigning for 2008? Yes, McCain produced one but I don't recall Hillary being asked.

 

[NOVA]

Obama announced his candidacy on February 10, 2007. From that day on his business was out there for anybody to investigate, including the states and the feds. The birther nonsense began receiving attention in mid-2008, over one year later, following Obama's victory in the Democratic primaries, in late 2008–early 2009 with regard to the Electoral College vote and Obama's inauguration, and later during various court proceedings.

Apparently you want me to think that in mid-2008 somebody suddenly had an "aha!" moment and decided it was time for Obama's birthplace to be investigated.

Sorry, not buying it.

*Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You really need to get your history right, pinhead....

Pennsylvania's former deputy attorney general and Sen. Hillary Clinton supporter Philip Berg has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Pennsylvania accusing presumptive Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of lying about his U.S. citizenship, which would make him ineligible to be president.
Mr. Berg is one of a faction of Clinton supporters who haven't heeded the party's call for unity, filing the suit just days before the opening of the Democratic National Convention,(25 August, 08) which will nominate Mr. Obama as the party's presidential candidate.
The suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia last week, also names the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission and says Mr. Obama´s mother went to Kenya late in her pregnancy and ended up giving birth there. It also claims that later in life, Mr. Obama declared himself a citizen of Indonesia.

Of course thats the very reason you're pinheaded democrats to begin with... brain washing and ignorance

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

It also claims that later in life, Mr. Obama declared himself a citizen of Indonesia.

Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship, and you can't attend school in Indonesia if you are not an Indonesian citizen, which Obama did.

 

[Minister of Truth]

I don't recall grade transcripts being an issue until the 2000 election. Did Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, GHWB release college records?

Why haven't we read a single article about the BCs of the other 19 candidates who originally started campaigning for 2008? Yes, McCain produced one but I don't recall Hillary being asked.

Truman's would have been mighty difficult to produce.

 

[Bonestorm]

Translation: You are right, Damocles. We've often seen this type of documentation from past candidates, and have demanded more from special candidates like GWB. We'll ignore that, because zero documents from one of them is good enough for me, because I have a "D" by my name when I go in to vote and so does he!

Not really. The only stuff that was produced by many others is college transcripts, though McCain did not produce his. Medical records generally were not produced by all candidates. Selective Service records were generally not produced by all candidates to my knowledge, though this is more of an issue for Vietnam era candidates. Passport records were generally not produced by candidates. It's laughable, man.

And GWB's military service records were an issue in part because his allies were shamelessly smearing the honorable service of his opponent who actually fought in Vietnam while GWB got a cushy stateside gig and there were questions regarding whether he actually completed it.

 

[charver]

Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship, and you can't attend school in Indonesia if you are not an Indonesian citizen, which Obama did.

It's ok Dix, if it is a radical madrassa then they make exceptions.

And, what do you know, it paid off in fucking spades.

Let's hear it for the sleeper. *cups ear*

 

[NOVA]

You really need to get your history right, pinhead....

Pennsylvania's former deputy attorney general and Sen. Hillary Clinton supporter Philip Berg has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Pennsylvania accusing presumptive Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of lying about his U.S. citizenship, which would make him ineligible to be president.
Mr. Berg is one of a faction of Clinton supporters who haven't heeded the party's call for unity, filing the suit just days before the opening of the Democratic National Convention,(25 August, 08) which will nominate Mr. Obama as the party's presidential candidate.
The suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia last week, also names the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission and says Mr. Obama´s mother went to Kenya late in her pregnancy and ended up giving birth there. It also claims that later in life, Mr. Obama declared himself a citizen of Indonesia.

Of course thats the very reason you're pinheaded democrats to begin with... brain washing and ignorance

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[Damocles]

Not really. The only stuff that was produced by many others is college transcripts, though McCain did not produce his. Medical records generally were not produced by all candidates. Selective Service records were generally not produced by all candidates to my knowledge, though this is more of an issue for Vietnam era candidates. Passport records were generally not produced by candidates. It's laughable, man.

And GWB's military service records were an issue in part because his allies were shamelessly smearing the honorable service of his opponent who actually fought in Vietnam while GWB got a cushy stateside gig and there were questions regarding whether he actually completed it.

Zero documents were produced by no other candidates. In effect only one gets a full free pass from those on the left. My list isn't the documents I expect, they are a list of documents that have been previously available, at least a few from each, for other candidates.

 

[Bonestorm]

Zero documents were produced by no other candidates. In effect only one gets a full free pass from those on the left. My list isn't the documents I expect, they are a list of documents that have been previously available, at least a few from each, for other candidates.

Like I said, you started with a conclusion and did your level best to prove it and all you really have is "I don't know anything about Obama because I don't know his cholesterol level, college GPA or his LSAT score." Pretty weak sauce, Damo.

 

[charver]

Zero documents were produced by no other candidates. In effect only one gets a full free pass from those on the left. My list isn't the documents I expect, they are a list of documents that have been previously available, at least a few from each, for other candidates.

Hasn't Obama provided at least the same amount of documents as George Washington?

And i saw a photo of Obama frolicking on a Hawaiian beach as a child, which puts him one step ahead in my book.

 

[Taichiliberal]

The Obama campaign issued a certificate of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's birth date, city and name, along with his parents' names and races

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A "Certification of Birth" is not a "Certificate of Live Birth" they are two distinctly different documents. What the Obama campaign released (not issued) was something that anyone, including myself, can obtain from the Hawaii Dept. of HR. It does NOT prove Obama was indeed BORN in Hawaii. The document needed for that, is called a "Certificate of Live Birth" and is issued by the hospital at the time of birth, it includes the name of the attending physician and his signature, and is notarized.

IF... Obama would release the Certificate of Live Birth, the entire "birther" movement would evaporate. There would still remain a few nutbags and conspiracy theorists, but we will always have those, regardless of who the president is. Now, you fuckwits can keep yammering about this, throwing up the COB as if it were an actual birth certificate, and denigrating those who don't ignorantly accept it as that, but this controversy isn't going away.

Our Dixie Dunce is just as insipidly stubborn as every other dumb ass birther. Bottom line: birthers just deny what they don't like, as Fact Check points out:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


Interestingly enough, Politifacts goes the extra 9 yards to show the sheer stubborness of the birther movement:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rs-claim-gibbs-lied-when-he-said-obamas-birt/


Like I said before, if the birther bumpkins were put to the same scrutiny as they apply to the President regarding original birth certificate records for when they apply for a mortgage or car loan, etc., they would be wailing like banshees at the nearest Jacoby & Meyers!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What I find fascinating about our bither bumpkins is that the vast majority of them are carrying OFFICIAL COPIES of their birth certificates....of which they can use as identification for banking purposes, to obtain passports, driver's licenses, etc.

If the same absurd standards to were applied to them as they want to do for current President, our birther bumpkins would be running to Jacoby and Meyers in droves!

actually, what has been released is not sufficient for obtaining a passport in the US.......not sure about driver's licenses, that varies from state to state.....I know that when my son renewed his license down in Florida last time we had to get a certified copy of the original and overnight it to him so his license didn't expire.....so at the very least, Obama couldn't get a driver's license in Florida......

The Post Modern Fool Strikes again.

Here's how I explained it to your like minded compadre:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=763014&postcount=135

And PLEASE pay attention to what you write. YOU point out that a CERTIFIED COPY came to your son's rescue....yet you would DENY the same procedure to Obama regarding proof of citizenship. Remember, birthers won't accept from Obama what your son used.

What Obama released was more than necessary to obtain a license, whether you or any birther idiot like it or not.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Hasn't Obama provided at least the same amount of documents as George Washington?

And i saw a photo of Obama frolicking on a Hawaiian beach as a child, which puts him one step ahead in my book.

that wasn't hawaii, that was a beach in kenya

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by christiefan915
C'mon Damocles, you're smarter than this.

1. Obama announces candidacy February 2007.

2. April-May 2008 birther conspiracies start.

3. Obama releases official, legal documentation June 2008.

4. Birthers announce it's not good enough.

Now who moved the goal posts, Damocles? Certainly not Obama.

This is nothing but the birther version of a swiftboat campaign but fortunately this one didn't work.

Nobody. Again, we have far more information about each of those on your "list", every one of them, than we have about Obama. Nobody has seemed to work so hard to erase historical footprints and hide all personal information...

I am interested as to what he has to hide, because he has acted like somebody who has something to hide.

I noticed that you totally avoided the valid points that Christie made, then you parrot the same absurd allegations of the birthers.

If you're not of the birther mindset, Damo, then why do this?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by christiefan915
Obama announced his candidacy on February 10, 2007. From that day on his business was out there for anybody to investigate, including the states and the feds. The birther nonsense began receiving attention in mid-2008, over one year later, following Obama's victory in the Democratic primaries, in late 2008–early 2009 with regard to the Electoral College vote and Obama's inauguration, and later during various court proceedings.

Apparently you want me to think that in mid-2008 somebody suddenly had an "aha!" moment and decided it was time for Obama's birthplace to be investigated.

Sorry, not buying it.

*Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You really need to get your history right, pinhead....

Pennsylvania's former deputy attorney general and Sen. Hillary Clinton supporter Philip Berg has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Pennsylvania accusing presumptive Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama of lying about his U.S. citizenship, which would make him ineligible to be president.
Mr. Berg is one of a faction of Clinton supporters who haven't heeded the party's call for unity, filing the suit just days before the opening of the Democratic National Convention,(25 August, 08) which will nominate Mr. Obama as the party's presidential candidate.
The suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia last week, also names the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission and says Mr. Obama´s mother went to Kenya late in her pregnancy and ended up giving birth there. It also claims that later in life, Mr. Obama declared himself a citizen of Indonesia.

Of course thats the very reason you're pinheaded democrats to begin with... brain washing and ignorance

Actually, I believe Christie pointed out how all this nonsense coincided with the realization that Hillary wasn't going to make the cut, so what you're posting here is no big revelation.

Here's something that should wise you up:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=763014&postcount=135

 

[NOVA]

Actually, I believe Christie pointed out how all this nonsense coincided with the realization that Hillary wasn't going to make the cut, so what you're posting here is no big revelation.

Here's something that should wise you up:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=763014&postcount=135

Your link has nothing ....absolutely nothing to do with the topic of my post...

Its like me claiming water is wet and you responding that the sky is blue....completely irrelevant to whats being said.

You're a pinhead of the first degree....that has a major problem understanding WTF you read....

Christie's claims are a bullshit attempt to blame the birth controversy on some imaginary right wing "birthers" when it was initiated by the Hillary supporter Philip Berg has filed a lawsuit in federal court some time before the Dem. convention.....and news reports show it was brought up months before by the Clinton campaign, long before the actual filing of the suit....

Feel free to honk you little horn now Clarabell...like the clown you are and next time, try to keep up with what we.re talking about.....