Woman burned to death on NYC subway identified

[Dutch Uncle]

To bad subway riders are to afraid to step up now. They might get accused of manslaughter. Thanks Alvin

Do you agree that all people who use sock puppets are cowardly pieces of shit and probable sex criminals?

Putting out someone on fire is not the same as putting someone in a choke hold until they are dead, dumbass.

FWIW, I think Penny did right since he didn't act until Neely threatened a mother and child. Did he overreact? Yes, but it's understandable in a fight that a Marine would neutralize their opponent as effectively as possible.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

of course not

The killer is not white and victim is not black...they cant scream racist

Hispanic is not a race, dumbass. If you weren't such a poorly educated moron, you'd have a better knowledge that there's no such thing as race, only different cultures. Your culture of dumbassed inbred trailer trash is just one example.

 

[Damocles]

Daniel Penney saved people from someone who looked really scary and was really ill. NOT because he had done anything to merit being killed at that time.

Would the guy he killed have actually attacked anyone? Who knows? Certainly Penney didn't know it.

Frankly if I were Daniel Penny I'd be busy examining myself very closely and asking myself "Did I do a good thing or an immensely evil thing?"

Perhaps you and the rest of MAGA will decided that all the ill people, especially ones that have illness that make them unappealing people, can all be sent to some "camps" for a while. Remember: some of us are poisoning the blood of your nation.

Do you think that Penny should have waited for someone to be hurt before doing something? I think you are batcrap crazy if you think that we must be damaged before defending ourselves and others.

 

[Diogenes]

Do you think that Penney should have waited for someone to be hurt before doing something? I think you are batcrap crazy if you think that we must be damaged before defending ourselves and others.

You wanna reopen this poll for me, please? I think it's still timely.

Thread 'Men, are you willing to risk what Daniel Penny endured to protect women & children?'

Dec 10, 2024

• Diogenes
• Replies: 47
• Forum: Current Events Forum

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[Dutch Uncle]

Daniel Penney saved people from someone who looked really scary and was really ill. NOT because he had done anything to merit being killed at that time.

Would the guy he killed have actually attacked anyone? Who knows? Certainly Penney didn't know it.

Do you think that Penney should have waited for someone to be hurt before doing something? I think you are batcrap crazy if you think that we must be damaged before defending ourselves and others.

People were in fear of their lives from Neely's actions and threats. Penny ignored him until Neely threatened a mother and her five year old. In fear of one's life or the life of another is a legitimate reason to put a round through them in Texas and many other states. In NYC, not so much.

Horrified mom barricaded 5-year-old behind stroller to shield him from ‘unhinged’ Jordan Neely: testimony

A mother described to jurors being so scared of a “belligerent and unhinged” Jordan Neely that she barricaded her 5-year-old son behind his stroller.

nypost.com

Horrified mom barricaded 5-year-old behind stroller to shield him from ‘unhinged’ Jordan Neely: testimony​

A mother told Manhattan jurors Friday that she was so frightened of a “belligerent and unhinged” Jordan Neely that she barricaded her 5-year-old son behind his stroller, while another subway rider testified she was “scared s—tless” by the homeless man’s rantings.

Lori Sitro, a research director and mother of two, had been on the uptown F train taking her young son to a therapy appointment when she noticed a “commotion” from Neely, who had begun shouting, she said at the manslaughter trial of Marine vet Daniel Penny.

“He was shouting in people’s faces,” Sitro recalled of Neely, who she said yelled, “‘I don’t have water! I don’t have food! I don’t have a home! … I want to go to Rikers, I want to go to prison!’ “

Neely started “lunging” in different people’s directions, Sitro said, later demonstrating the movement for jurors.

“He was very erratic and unpredictable,” she said.

“It felt very scary,” the mother recalled. “It was increasingly loud, and it felt increasingly threatening. I would describe it as belligerent and unhinged. I actually took the stroller that I had and put it in front of my son to create a barrier of sorts.”

Sitro told the jury that she lived in the Big Apple for 30 years and had “seen a lot” riding the subways.

“I’ve seen unstable people. This felt different to me,” the mom explained....

...Still, once Penny intervened to stop Neely, Sitro said, “I felt very relieved because I was scared for my son.”

Sitro told the jurors it didn’t seem like Neely was resisting much against Penny — who put the disturbed man in a chokehold — and it didn’t seem like Neely’s breathing was in distress.

Sitro said she didn’t think Penny was trying to choke Neely and was “shocked” to learn he died from the May 1, 2023 takedown.

Another subway rider, Alethea Gittings, said she was “scared s—tless” when she heard a loud and raving Neely from further down the subway car on the uptown F train.

Gittings, a daily subway rider who’s lived in New York City for her entire adult life, said she heard Neely say, “I don’t give a damn. I will kill a motherf–ker. I’m ready to die.”

 

[Hawkeye10]

People were in fear of their lives from Neely's actions and threats. Penny ignored him until Neely threatened a mother and her five year old. In fear of one's life or the life of another is a legitimate reason to put a round through them in Texas and many other states. In NYC, not so much.

Horrified mom barricaded 5-year-old behind stroller to shield him from ‘unhinged’ Jordan Neely: testimony

A mother described to jurors being so scared of a “belligerent and unhinged” Jordan Neely that she barricaded her 5-year-old son behind his stroller.

nypost.com

Horrified mom barricaded 5-year-old behind stroller to shield him from ‘unhinged’ Jordan Neely: testimony​

A mother told Manhattan jurors Friday that she was so frightened of a “belligerent and unhinged” Jordan Neely that she barricaded her 5-year-old son behind his stroller, while another subway rider testified she was “scared s—tless” by the homeless man’s rantings.

Lori Sitro, a research director and mother of two, had been on the uptown F train taking her young son to a therapy appointment when she noticed a “commotion” from Neely, who had begun shouting, she said at the manslaughter trial of Marine vet Daniel Penny.

“He was shouting in people’s faces,” Sitro recalled of Neely, who she said yelled, “‘I don’t have water! I don’t have food! I don’t have a home! … I want to go to Rikers, I want to go to prison!’ “

Neely started “lunging” in different people’s directions, Sitro said, later demonstrating the movement for jurors.

“He was very erratic and unpredictable,” she said.

“It felt very scary,” the mother recalled. “It was increasingly loud, and it felt increasingly threatening. I would describe it as belligerent and unhinged. I actually took the stroller that I had and put it in front of my son to create a barrier of sorts.”

Sitro told the jury that she lived in the Big Apple for 30 years and had “seen a lot” riding the subways.

“I’ve seen unstable people. This felt different to me,” the mom explained....

...Still, once Penny intervened to stop Neely, Sitro said, “I felt very relieved because I was scared for my son.”

Sitro told the jurors it didn’t seem like Neely was resisting much against Penny — who put the disturbed man in a chokehold — and it didn’t seem like Neely’s breathing was in distress.

Sitro said she didn’t think Penny was trying to choke Neely and was “shocked” to learn he died from the May 1, 2023 takedown.

Another subway rider, Alethea Gittings, said she was “scared s—tless” when she heard a loud and raving Neely from further down the subway car on the uptown F train.

Gittings, a daily subway rider who’s lived in New York City for her entire adult life, said she heard Neely say, “I don’t give a damn. I will kill a motherf–ker. I’m ready to die.”

No...the fear must be justified in the eyes of 12 peers.

 

[Diogenes]

Wow. Butch Uncle slaps Daylight into the gloaming.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No...the fear must be justified in the eyes of 12 peers.

It was. Penny acted within the law. Good.

In Texas it never would have gone to trial even if Penny had emptied a magazine into Neely's back. Not because of skin-tone, but because Neely was acting erratic and threatening others. Several reported being in fear of their lives. That's enough to shoot him down.

 

[Diogenes]

Wow. Butch Uncle slaps Hawk to the ground.

 

[Damocles]

You wanna reopen this poll for me, please? I think it's still timely.

Thread 'Men, are you willing to risk what Daniel Penny endured to protect women & children?'

Dec 10, 2024

• Diogenes
• Replies: 47
• Forum: Current Events Forum

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It's open.

 

[Phantasmal]

It was. Penny acted within the law. Good.

In Texas it never would have gone to trial even if Penny had emptied a magazine into Neely's back. Not because of skin-tone, but because Neely was acting erratic and threatening others. Several reported being in fear of their lives. That's enough to shoot him down.

Sad isn’t it. A mentally ill individual can be killed simply because they are mentally ill.

We don’t help these people, we allow people to murder them, legally.

 

[Diogenes]

Sad isn’t it. A mentally ill individual can be killed simply because they are mentally ill.

Nobody's killed you.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Sad isn’t it. A mentally ill individual can be killed simply because they are mentally ill.

We don’t help these people, we allow people to murder them, legally.

Agreed. I've been preaching for years that our nation needs better mental health care but as both our politicians in DC and JPP members keep proving, nobody gives a shit.

It's solution #2. I'd prefer solution #1 but when it comes down to protecting a mother and child or other innocents, #2 still works.

 

[Phantasmal]

Agreed. I've been preaching for years that our nation needs better mental health care but as both our politicians in DC and JPP members keep proving, nobody gives a shit.

It's solution #2. I'd prefer solution #1 but when it comes down to protecting a mother and child or other innocents, #2 still works.

My daughter lived in NYC for ten years as a 20 something female. She dealt with mentally ill people on an almost daily basis. Most people ignore them. Some people need to be heroes when there is no need.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

My daughter lived in NYC for ten years as a 20 something female. She dealt with mentally ill people on an almost daily basis. Most people ignore them. Some people need to be heroes when there is no need.

Penny ignored Neely too until he threatened a mother and child. Did you read her testimony at trial?

 

[TOP]

Jordan Neely was not murdered... But if New York City city and his family had done their job he might be alive... Daniel Penny was a hero when a hero was needed...

 

[Phantasmal]

Penny ignored Neely too until he threatened a mother and child. Did you read her testimony at trial?

A threat, did he act on his threat?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

A threat, did he act on his threat?

You didn't answer the question, Phan. Did you read the trial testimony?

Neely needed mental health care. The city of NY didn't give a fuck until he was dead. What's the real problem here; that Penny defended a mother and child or that people live in fear of mentally ill nutjobs and NYC doesn't care?

 

[Nomad]

Jordan Neely was not murdered... But if New York City city and his family had done their job he might be alive... Daniel Penny was a hero when a hero was needed...

You didn't answer the question, Phan. Did you read the trial testimony?

Neely needed mental health care. The city of NY didn't give a fuck until he was dead. What's the real problem here; that Penny defended a mother and child or that people live in fear of mentally ill nutjobs and NYC doesn't care?

I don't think you can lay all the blame on NYC.

Mental health is a very complex issue and the answers are usually not black and white.

Often times the people that need the most help don't cooperate in their own care. Plus, NYC has over 8 million people, untold tens of thousands of which likely require some level of mental health treatment at any given time. And it's not like fixing a broken leg. There's no flashing sign on their forehead that says "Help me I'm a nutjob".

 

[Daylight63]

Do you think that Penny should have waited for someone to be hurt before doing something?

No. I think a man trained by the US Military to be able to kill a person is also trained to know how to moderate that skill or ability. I also don't really like vigilante justice in any form, but especially because in this case the guy had not yet done anything to deserve a death sentence.

As I said in another post on this thread: my town has a goodly amount of homeless and several who are floridly mentally ill. One is rather scary all the time. Stamping up and down our streets shouting and screaming at nothing in particular. As I said in my previous post: I would NOT want to be in this guy's crosshairs because I don't know how dangerous he would be but, by the same token, I wouldn't want some vigilante saving our community by gunning him down on the street just for looking scary.

The REAL solution is much harder: we need to do the other half of what we planned when we shut down the mental institutions back in the 60's-80's. We never followed it up by increasing access to mental healthcare in our communities.

Conservatives, in their zeal to save money for the military, have kept us from expanding social systems for decades now.

So the guy on the subway in NYC? Yeah, that was a Conservative America problem.

I think you are batcrap crazy if you think that we must be damaged before defending ourselves and others.

Thankfully I actually have an adult and rational answer.

Surely you aren't OK with vigilante justice, are you? Do you really want that for our society?