Woman burned to death on NYC subway identified

No. I think a man trained by the US Military to be able to kill a person is also trained to know how to moderate that skill or ability. I also don't really like vigilante justice in any form, but especially because in this case the guy had not yet done anything to deserve a death sentence.

As I said in another post on this thread: my town has a goodly amount of homeless and several who are floridly mentally ill. One is rather scary all the time. Stamping up and down our streets shouting and screaming at nothing in particular. As I said in my previous post: I would NOT want to be in this guy's crosshairs because I don't know how dangerous he would be but, by the same token, I wouldn't want some vigilante saving our community by gunning him down on the street just for looking scary.

The REAL solution is much harder: we need to do the other half of what we planned when we shut down the mental institutions back in the 60's-80's. We never followed it up by increasing access to mental healthcare in our communities.

Conservatives, in their zeal to save money for the military, have kept us from expanding social systems for decades now.

So the guy on the subway in NYC? Yeah, that was a Conservative America problem.



Thankfully I actually have an adult and rational answer.

Surely you aren't OK with vigilante justice, are you? Do you really want that for our society?
Do you think this was "vigilante justice"? 12 of his peers did not. At this point if you keep defaming him, since he is not a public figure, he could sue you...

Anyway, no. I don't think we should get out the pitchforks. I do not think he meant to kill the mentally ill man who was threatening to kill others, in fact that man was still alive when the police showed up. I think a man who was trained to kill people that wanted to kill him would have made sure he was not alive before the cops got there...
 
I don't think you can lay all the blame on NYC.

Mental health is a very complex issue and the answers are usually not black and white.

Often times the people that need the most help don't cooperate in their own care. Plus, NYC has over 8 million people, untold tens of thousands of which likely require some level of mental health treatment at any given time. And it's not like fixing a broken leg. There's no flashing sign on their forehead that says "Help me I'm a nutjob".
Disagreed.

Agreed it's a complex issue. A federal program is best, but states can do what they can. In Neeley's case, they didn't even bother. He, like the woman burned in the subway, was considered NHI, No Human Involved. Nobody gave a shit until they ended up dead.

FWIW, this isn't the first time NYC defended the protagonist and took the citizen seeking to defend themselves or others to court. Consider the 1984 Bernhard Goetz subway shooting case.

Notice too that Big Blue Cities often have high crime and gang problems. Why can't they solve them?
 
Do you think this was "vigilante justice"?

By definition.




At this point if you keep defaming him, since he is not a public figure, he could sue you...

Oh, sorry, thought we were having a serious conversation. My bad.

Anyway, no. I don't think we should get out the pitchforks. I do not think he meant to kill the mentally ill man who was threatening to kill others, in fact that man was still alive when the police showed up. I think a man who was trained to kill people that wanted to kill him would have made sure he was not alive before the cops got there...

Guess we'll never know since the guy is dead.
 
By definition....

...Guess we'll never know since the guy is dead.
Self-defense or defending another is not "vigilante justice".

There were plenty of witnesses at the trial who testified to the events. Should Penny have released Neeley as soon as he passed out? Hindsight is 20/20 so the answer is yes. In the middle of a fight with adrenaline running at max and everyone scared of Neeley's rantings and behavior? It's understandable.

Just so we're clear; Penny didn't go out hunting anyone. That's "vigilante justice". He didn't even react until Neeley threatened a mother and her 5 year old. What would you have done? Waited to see if Neeley attacked the kid? Bashed his little head against the wall?
 
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