Wonder why the left doesn't think there is a trans problem?

T. A. Gardner said:
Persecution and social rejection is persecution and social rejection. It doesn't matter what the group is.
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You completely ignore that prison populations have their own peer groups for friendship & support. They do NOT experience the isolation that many transgenders do.

You are trying to make a comparison based on extremely narrow criteria, without considering any additional factors. It makes your argument very weak, and essentially baseless.
 
If Persecution and Social Rejection created mass shooters, the 30% of America who are Straight, Centrist, White-males would all be mass shooters. One in three people in America are not Mass Shooters. By the FBI definition, there are 8-12 Mass Shooters a year. Lately, they have be disproportionately Trans.

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BartenderElite said:
You completely ignore that prison populations have their own peer groups for friendship & support. They do NOT experience the isolation that many transgenders do.
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And transgenders don't have the LGBTPDQRST+- whatever community along with many radical Leftists for support and friendship? How about those in labor and concentration camps where they know they'll be worked to death or simply put to death? They don't come close to 50% suicide rates.
BartenderElite said:
You are trying to make a comparison based on extremely narrow criteria, without considering any additional factors. It makes your argument very weak, and essentially baseless.
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I am making a valid comparison. No other definable group comes close to a 50% suicide rate. Persecution and social shunning doesn't account for it or there'd be other groups in history that had such rates. That makes the trans community unique in terms of suicide rates.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And transgenders don't have the LGBTPDQRST+- whatever community along with many radical Leftists for support and friendship? How about those in labor and concentration camps where they know they'll be worked to death or simply put to death? They don't come close to 50% suicide rates.


I am making a valid comparison. No other definable group comes close to a 50% suicide rate. Persecution and social shunning doesn't account for it or there'd be other groups in history that had such rates. That makes the trans community unique in terms of suicide rates.
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I'm not going to try to debunk this anymore, because I have several times. Definitively. You have a determination to stick with it, and there simply is no logic that will move you away from that position.
 
BartenderElite said:
I'm not going to try to debunk this anymore, because I have several times. Definitively. You have a determination to stick with it, and there simply is no logic that will move you away from that position.
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All you do is parrot the position that it's because of persecution and social rejection without solid evidence. Your position is one of denial that persons who want to undergo genital mutilation, cosmetic surgery, and use copious amounts of drugs to alter their appearance couldn't possibly be mentally ill and have serious issues with self-image to a point that it drives them to suicide.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
All you do is parrot the position that it's because of persecution and social rejection without solid evidence.
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You don't think transgenders are often rejected socially?

And that's different from being in a near hopeless situation in a prison camp or wherever. Those kinds of inmates can often band together, and it becomes a determination to survive the circumstances.

The psychology is so wildly different. And I'm just scratching the surface of that difference. You're just off base here.
 
BartenderElite said:
You don't think transgenders are often rejected socially?
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I'm saying their social rejection, where it occurs, is no different than any other group's social rejection.
BartenderElite said:
And that's different from being in a near hopeless situation in a prison camp or wherever. Those kinds of inmates can often band together, and it becomes a determination to survive the circumstances.
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That's a stretch. Just like in prison, there are factions and being in the wrong faction can be a major problem. Yet, no 50% suicide rates.
BartenderElite said:
The psychology is so wildly different. And I'm just scratching the surface of that difference. You're just off base here.
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The problem is internal, not external. If it were external they'd have suicide rates similar to other marginalized or rejected groups.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm saying their social rejection, where it occurs, is no different than any other group's social rejection.


That's a stretch. Just like in prison, there are factions and being in the wrong faction can be a major problem. Yet, no 50% suicide rates.


The problem is internal, not external. If it were external they'd have suicide rates similar to other marginalized or rejected groups.
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A prison population isn't a "rejected group."

Just an FYI there.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They are rejected. That's why they're in prison. Their crimes and criminal lifestyle are rejected by society, so they were put in prison to keep them apart from society.
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They personally are not rejected by society. Their crimes are. Prisons are supposed to rehabilitate them. They have peer support.
 
AProudLefty said:
They personally are not rejected by society. Their crimes are. Prisons are supposed to rehabilitate them. They have peer support.
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They are personally in many ways. Persons with a prison record have great difficulty getting a job in many cases. They are prevented from many types of jobs entirely. They may have support within their particular clique or gang by affiliation. They are looked upon as suspect and potentially dangerous by most members of society as well. Certain crimes, like child molesters, have to register and are restricted on where they can even live.

Prison is generally for punishment, not rehabilitation. The punishment is incarceration. Rehabilitation is offered but often rejected or simply seen as a means to get out of prison earlier to resume a criminal lifestyle.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They are personally in many ways. Persons with a prison record have great difficulty getting a job in many cases. They are prevented from many types of jobs entirely. They may have support within their particular clique or gang by affiliation. They are looked upon as suspect and potentially dangerous by most members of society as well. Certain crimes, like child molesters, have to register and are restricted on where they can even live.

Prison is generally for punishment, not rehabilitation. The punishment is incarceration. Rehabilitation is offered but often rejected or simply seen as a means to get out of prison earlier to resume a criminal lifestyle.
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You equate not being able to get a job to transgenders being ostracized?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Persecution and social rejection is persecution and social rejection. It doesn't matter what the group is.
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Oh come on, you know that's nonsense. That's like saying rape is rape.

Phenotypically, females can not physically stop a determined man from enforcing her pregnancy. Intelegent design or facts of the evolutionary matter females are physically inferior and they're prized for that fact. Since they have no natural power to say no, they have no natural power to say yes. All sex is minimally slave rape. Consent is an illusion. "Rape" means so many things it means nothing at all. Using rape to define rape is the epitome of intellectual laziness and disingenuous intention.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Persecution and social rejection is persecution and social rejection. It doesn't matter what the group is.
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Another example, just because desperate eunuch catamites exist does not then necessitate the existence or expression of the pederasty they lust for. Just because someone is a flowery faggot does not then necessitate honest males should FK them. That they dressed up for prison rape does not then necessitate homo prison rapists.
 
Is it particularly suspicious that catholics wont refer to transies as eunuchs?

Do you all fail to see through their illusion or is it the right's illusion. And in what shit-shack fucktard-book does anyone define catholicism as right wing? It's so faggoty and commy in practice it could never honestly be right wing. Habits of truth by sanctimony? Is that the sole interpretation of right wing logic? Faggots....
 
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