Zimmerman case

evince said:
Martin is the victim.

hes is the one who wanted nothing to do with Zimmerman and his gun
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If that were true, why didn't he go right home? Your argument would have way more credence if Zimmerman followed Martin to his door. He did not. Your anti hispanic skirt is showing.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Therefore it is legal to stalk strangers at night. Gotcha! And the one being followed should not be scared or worried at all. Right(note sarcasm)!!!!
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Having read enough of STY's post, who does he think he is fooling, anyone following him will be shot, dead.
 
Jarod said:
This is why many police an prosecutors were against this law that was promoted and signed by Jeb Bush.
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This law ?

Self defense is legal in every state in the union.....in every part of the country....the entire United States.....
 
evince said:
go get one lie of mine.

I keep asking you slanderers to do so and you always run away with your tiny dicks in your hand
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You claim Martin wanted nothing to do with Zimmerman, but his actions belie your claims. If that were true why didn't Martin go home? If you were being followed by a scary hispanic would you confront him or get to safety?

BAZINGA!
 
NOVA said:
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This law ?

Self defense is legal in every state in the union.....in every part of the country....the entire United States.....
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Each state has its own Self Defense and they are all a little different as amended by statute. Florida's was amended when Jeb was Governor.
 
The whole Zimmerman thing is just a Zionist conspiracy isn't it Wiseone? I mean, he is part J-O-O....
 
Professor Baxter said:
Under the circumstances he was obligated to attempt to escape. Florida statute 776.041.

You can only use deadly force if you have a reasonable belief that you are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. To me, that means you can only use deadly force to meet potentially deadly force.
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Did you know that according to the federal use of force continuum, a punch in the nose is considered deadly force? The federal use of force continuum is followed by almost every police force in the USA, and many around the world. I should know, I used to teach it to them. I have sustained a couple of bloody noses during law enforcement operations, but I had other resources to rely on, i.e. a partner, an expandable baton and pepper spray. Besides, it was a hell of a lot of fun to testify against those dirt bags for assault on a federal law enforcement officer. GZ is an idiot who's biggest mistake was carrying the gun in the first place and the 2nd biggest mistake was getting out of that truck. The neighborhood watch observes and reports, that's it. They don't investigate or carry out inquiries. So like I said, he's an idiot, but not a murderer.
 
callinectes said:
Did you know that according to the federal use of force continuum, a punch in the nose is considered deadly force? The federal use of force continuum is followed by almost every police force in the USA, and many around the world. I should know, I used to teach it to them. I have sustained a couple of bloody noses during law enforcement operations, but I had other resources to rely on, i.e. a partner, an expandable baton and pepper spray. Besides, it was a hell of a lot of fun to testify against those dirt bags for assault on a federal law enforcement officer. GZ is an idiot who's biggest mistake was carrying the gun in the first place and the 2nd biggest mistake was getting out of that truck. The neighborhood watch observes and reports, that's it. They don't investigate or carry out inquiries. So like I said, he's an idiot, but not a murderer.
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Cite? The law says what it says.

I don't think they have proven murder and I always doubted it.
 
christiefan915 said:
He was stopped on his way home, dunderhead.

Did TM have the right to confront his follower, yes or no?
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That's a pretty good point, it's something I wondered about since this whole thing started. GZ studied criminal justice right? He should've known that one of the first things that a cop does (and this should translate to the neighborhood watch) is identify himself. I have never heard whether or not he identified himself as the neighborhood watch. If he did, that puts the ball in TM's court. At this point he has a few different options: 1. He can say, "good evening, Mr. neighborhood watch! I am returning to my mother's house with this can of ice tea and this package of skittles" 2. TM becomes enraged at the culmination of 400 years of oppression at the hands of the neighborhood watch, and decides to fight the power. 3. He can run.

We now know that Travon Martin evidently chose option number two. We can only speculate that if he would've chosen option number one, Zimmerman gets back into his truck and returns to his duties as the self-appointed neighborhood watchman. And if he would've chosen option number three, Zimmerman should have gotten back into his truck and reported to the police that his suspicious character had taken off. I could be wrong but I do find it a bit difficult to believe that Zimmerman did not identify himself at all, of course he IS an idiot, and he did plenty of other stupid stuff.
 
Professor Baxter said:
Cite? The law says what it says.
I don't think they have proven murder and I always doubted it.
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The federal, or military, definition of deadly force: That force which a person uses for the purpose of causing - or which he knows or should reasonably know, would create substantial risk of causing - death or serious bodily harm. Murderer, manslaughterer, batterer. Whatever. What are the elements of those crimes? Those are all lesser included charges, you know.
 
callinectes said:
That's a pretty good point, it's something I wondered about since this whole thing started. GZ studied criminal justice right? He should've known that one of the first things that a cop does (and this should translate to the neighborhood watch) is identify himself. I have never heard whether or not he identified himself as the neighborhood watch. If he did, that puts the ball in TM's court. At this point he has a few different options: 1. He can say, "good evening, Mr. neighborhood watch! I am returning to my mother's house with this can of ice tea and this package of skittles" 2. TM becomes enraged at the culmination of 400 years of oppression at the hands of the neighborhood watch, and decides to fight the power. 3. He can run.

We now know that Travon Martin evidently chose option number two. We can only speculate that if he would've chosen option number one, Zimmerman gets back into his truck and returns to his duties as the self-appointed neighborhood watchman. And if he would've chosen option number three, Zimmerman should have gotten back into his truck and reported to the police that his suspicious character had taken off. I could be wrong but I do find it a bit difficult to believe that Zimmerman did not identify himself at all, of course he IS an idiot, and he did plenty of other stupid stuff.
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He did not identify himself.
 
callinectes said:
The federal, or military, definition of deadly force: That force which a person uses for the purpose of causing - or which he knows or should reasonably know, would create substantial risk of causing - death or serious bodily harm. Murderer, manslaughterer, batterer. Whatever. What are the elements of those crimes? Those are all lesser included charges, you know.
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I fail to see how that makes a punch deadly force.
 
I saw a layout today of the position of the body of Trayvon and how far it was from the sidewalk where he is suppose to have banged the head of Zimmerman.

Was there an explanation by Zimmerman of how Trayvon's dead body was so far away from the sidewalk where the supposed head banging took place?

Thanks
 
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