A Guide to Finding Faith

[BidenPresident]

for the average person, our biggest limitation to knowledge and insight is language.

Our language may be completely incapable of describing ultimate reality, and our cognition and reason is limited by symbolic language.

Higher Mathematics may be the only hope of representing any higher truth.


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High truth, low truth.

As Wittgenstein said, either we can talk about it clearly or there is nothing to say.

 

[BidenPresident]

While the Earth certainly had a beginning, and it will have an end, why should the Universe? It is quite possible the Universe has always existed and always will.

Yes, agree. I think the universe always existed

 

[BidenPresident]

It is possible to be an atheist and acknowledge the design and souls.

I don't know what that means. What is "design?"

 

[BidenPresident]

Existing implies time.

Not necessarily. But please explain why you think that.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't know what that means. What is "design?"

His way of describing the Theory of Creation, which says that life arrived on Earth through the action of some kind of intelligence.

 

[Into the Night]

Existing implies time.

Why would it?

 

[Into the Night]

Who's the 'Designer'?

Unspecified.

The Theory of Creation states that life arrived on Earth through the act of some kind of intelligence. He is probably thinking the intelligence is a god of some kind. It can be anything. It might even be some aliens that had a horrible lab accident and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it.

 

[Into the Night]

Nobody.

So, you subscribe to the Church of No God. You are not an atheist.
I take it that you subscribe to the Theory of Abiogenesis, which states the life originated on Earth through a series of random unspecified events.

 

[Jack]

Unspecified.

The Theory of Creation states that life arrived on Earth through the act of some kind of intelligence. He is probably thinking the intelligence is a god of some kind. It can be anything. It might even be some aliens that had a horrible lab accident and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it.

I have a son that thinks Aliens 'salted' the Earth with their DNA.

 

[Into the Night]

An atheist recognizes a design. The error is assuming that it was designed by someone.

Paradox.

 

[Into the Night]

for the average person, our biggest limitation to knowledge and insight is language.

Our language may be completely incapable of describing ultimate reality, and our cognition and reason is limited by symbolic language.

Higher Mathematics may be the only hope of representing any higher truth.


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A void argument.

 

[Cypress]

A void argument.

Incorrect.

Humankind's brightest minds have spent two centuries thinking about how language and symbolic representation restrict our actual knowledge of truth and our phenomenalogical experience

The fact that you do not like me bringing it up is irrelevant. Your emotional reaction is meritless.

If there is a purposeful design to reality, we may not even have the language or mathematics to grasp it.

 

[BattleofHodow]

for the average person, our biggest limitation to knowledge and insight is language.

Our language may be completely incapable of describing ultimate reality, and our cognition and reason is limited by symbolic language.

Higher Mathematics may be the only hope of representing any higher truth.


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Speaking of language & mathematics.

The Human brain is made to process & create language & mathematics.

But, what possible natural selection could have selected for that!?

No other Animals did, why would we!?

Seems highly unlikely that natural selection would have.

So, counting nuts or carcasses lead to our brain capacity to advanced mathematics!?

I think language is even less likely.

It's like we were created to create language & mathematics.

 

[Phantasmal]

I let the mystery be and just enjoy the awesomeness of it all.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Exactly. There clearly is a structure and organization in the universe. It doesn't imply any kind of intelligence.

A design by chance shouldn't be a design at all.

It should be pure chaos.

The organization of Celestial bodies, and Life, especially the Human brain are unlikely to happen by chance.

Just like ecosystems easily destroyed by Man, shouldn't come about by chance.

 

[BidenPresident]

I let the mystery be and just enjoy the awesomeness of it all.

What mystery?

 

[Phantasmal]

What mystery?

The Universe

 

[BidenPresident]

Humankind's brightest minds have spent two centuries thinking about how language and symbolic representation restrict our actual knowledge of truth and our phenomenalogical experience

No. Just your fellow believers.

 

[BidenPresident]

The Universe

So you don't understand why things fall down?

 

[Phantasmal]

So you don't understand why things fall down?

Lol, no, derp, derp, could you explain it to me, please.