A smarter way to get 'free' electricity

[gfm7175]

You're not an expert on investing

I wasn't alluding to being an expert on investing; I was alluding to being an expert on the "investment vs prepaid expense" exchanges between us... You know, the ones in which you keep trying to redefine investments into being prepaid expenses.

When you quickly jump from point to point after getting schooled on each and every point, you quickly lose track of what the conversation is even about.

if you think investing $50k in order to realize a gain of $200/month is a good idea if the goal is 'free electricity'.

It's not necessary to invest $50k to gain $200/month, although that's one way of achieving it.

Regardless, I do think that it's "a smarter way" to "get free electricity" than buying rooftop solar panels, as investing one's money in a local utility company makes much more sense than prepaying for 20 years of electricity.

 

[Kamala Trump]

Intelligent people appreciate being told that they have spinach stuck in their teeth or when they make embarrassing errors that imply a lack of education. Stupid people simply seek to kill the messenger.

nobody's killing you, Percy.

 

[IBDaMann]

I was alluding to being an expert on the "investment vs prepaid expense" exchanges between us... You know, the ones in which you keep trying to redefine investments into being prepaid expenses.

What's the ROI on a prepaid calling card? ... a prepaid gift card? ... a prepaid charge card?

 

[IBDaMann]

nobody's killing you, Percy.

You are killing me with your claims that everything is fascism. Maple syrup is fascism, being the product of corporate and government power.

 

[Kamala Trump]

You are killing me with your claims that everything is fascism. Maple syrup is fascism, being the product of corporate and government power.

fascism is the union of government and corporate power. like vaccine companies controlling vaccine mandate policy, or military contractors controlling defense policy.

can you imagine something like that?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The only two major viable parties in this nations are the Democratic Party and the Russiapublican Party.

We talk about Socialists [I wish that we had a viable party], Communists, NAZIs, Fascists, and everything else,
including Libertarians, Independents, and weird stuff like that.....

but none of these parties exist in any meaningful way in this country.

They're just comfortable, familiar names for Democrats and Russiapublicans to call one another rather than engage
in serious discussions about improving the standard of living.

 

[gfm7175]

You are killing me with your claims that everything is fascism. Maple syrup is fascism, being the product of corporate and government power.

OMG that's SUCH a fascist thing to say..... stupid FASCIST!!!! RAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

 

[Into the Night]

Catch up with the thread, and then enlighten us how prepaying $50k for electricity is a winning strategy.

Investing in an electrical company is not prepaying for electricity, Sock.

 

[Althea]

Continued attempt to redefine '$50k investment' as "$50k prepayment". This thread is about an investment, which is NOT a prepayment.

Continued failure of Accounting 101.

Nice dodge. You lose. Investing in the company suggested by the OP would have lost you 25% of your money in the last 5 years.

You ain't no investment broker, and this has nothing to do with accounting.

You seem to believe that you can show up and force a private company to accept your 'equity' payment at your demand. That's the dumbest thing that you've ever posted here, and there a volumes of dumb posts.

Now go try your luck in another thread. You're doing terribly in this one.

 

[Althea]

Ignoring the existence of a question doesn't make it go away.

In fact, you even immediately responded to the question with a smart ass evasive response before now pretending that there wasn't a question. Remember?

I'll remind you of the question again:

"So, how long do the government bribes continue, and when they end, what happens?"

That's not a question.

That's a moronic effort to make a point.

Gross failure.

 

[Althea]

... and after the many seasons of Shark Tank that you've religiously watched, you STILL don't properly comprehend what is happening on that show?


Oh, of course! OF COURSE investing in a private company is somehow NOT investing in a private company.


There was nothing idiotic about it. He suggested investing one's money to "get free electricity" (to get returns on said investment which offsets the cost of electricity) instead of pre-paying for 20 years of electricity via rooftop solar panels. You then tried to make fun of him, claiming that he couldn't invest in APS because APS was a private company. He then schooled you again by providing you with the publicly traded holding company of APS (Pinnacle West), and now I'm schooling you re: the ability to invest in private companies and re: what prepaid expenses are vs what investments are.

Then, once you get schooled on any specific point, you divert away from it and try again with some other point, ad infinitum.

You only further embarrass yourself with every post that you make, but you can't help yourself.

LMFAO. You are delusional. After APS was cited, a quick search shows that they are not publicly traded. Then, he linked to the failing company that holds APS, and seemed to believe that he can earn $200/month to pay his electric bill.

To do that, an investment of $50k is necessary. In a company that is down 25% in the last 5 years.


So tell me all about Shark Tank, genius. Do they knock on doors asking people for the right to invest in their company? I've never seen that in more than 10 years.

 

[gfm7175]

Nice dodge.

Projection.

You lose.

Invalid declaration of victory.

Investing in the company suggested by the OP would have lost you 25% of your money in the last 5 years.

Here, you're cherry picking a time frame that results in a loss.
Plus, now you're conveniently ignoring the dividends.
Plus, there was never a requirement to invest in that particular company. It was mentioned as an example of a local utility company.

You ain't no investment broker,

How would YOU know?? I'm not, btw, and never claimed to be.

and this has nothing to do with accounting.

You don't account for your finances?

You seem to believe

Such a statement is almost always followed up with a bogus position assignment... Let's see how you do this time around.

that you can show up and force a private company to accept your 'equity' payment at your demand.

Yup, you're indeed resorting to bogus position assignments now. I'm not demanding anyone to do anything. You acted as if it wasn't possible to invest in a private company and I showed you an example otherwise. Now you're all huffy puffy about me making you look like an idiot so you're resorting to bogus position assignments in a failed attempt to make me look like the idiot that you actually are. IOW, you've tipped your king.

That's the dumbest thing that you've ever posted here, and there a volumes of dumb posts.

"Nice" try. Making use of bogus position assignments is not valid argumentation.

Now go try your luck in another thread. You're doing terribly in this one.

Projection. This is YOUR issue, not mine. You can't get rid of it by simply pretending that it belongs to me.

 

[gfm7175]

That's not a question.

That's a moronic effort to make a point.

Gross failure.

Now you're resorting to denying the English language? It most certainly IS a question. You could try answering it instead of evading it.

 

[gfm7175]

LMFAO. You are delusional.

This is YOUR issue.

After APS was cited, a quick search shows that they are not publicly traded.

...but the holding company IS publicly traded.

Then, he linked to the failing company that holds APS,

The holding company is NOT failing.

and seemed to believe that he can earn $200/month to pay his electric bill.

He sure can!

To do that, an investment of $50k is necessary.

No, it's not.

In a company that is down 25% in the last 5 years.

Sure, but pick a longer time frame and it is up. You are cherry picking.

So tell me all about Shark Tank, genius. Do they knock on doors asking people for the right to invest in their company? I've never seen that in more than 10 years.

I've already told you about it. I've told you that it is an example of investments into private companies. There are numerous other examples that could be provided.

 

[Nordberg]

Why do people miss the point? If you invest in something, no matter what it is, and make money it belongs to you. You can spend it on anything you want. Paying for electricity does not make it free. You can buy beer with it. That does not make beer free.

 

[IBDaMann]

The only two major viable parties in this nations are the Democratic Party and the Russiapublican Party.

Sorry, there used to be only two viable parties, but once the RNC became a wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC, the number dwindled to one. The last conservative news outlet, Fox News, fell to new ownership back in 2017. Now, all that remains is DNC-beholden propaganda.

Welcome to China 2.0.

We talk about Socialists [I wish that we had a viable party],

Great news! The DNC is fully Marxist.

Communists, NAZIs, Fascists, and everything else,

Listing NAZIs and fascists are both redundant to the DNC.

Communists differ from all the socialist ideologies you mentioned, but nonetheless have a home in the DNC ... until the DNC doesn't need them anymore.

including Libertarians, Independents, and weird stuff like that.....

Even if you had them, the DNC would stamp them out is short order.

... but none of these parties exist in any meaningful way in this country.

Sure they do, at least the socialist ones. As long as there is a DNC, socialism will be prominent.

 

[IBDaMann]

Investing in the company suggested by the OP would have lost you 25% of your money in the last 5 years.

So you acknowledge that investing in the company suggested is an investment, and not a prepaid expense as you recommend.

 

[IBDaMann]

OMG that's SUCH a fascist thing to say..... stupid FASCIST!!!! RAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Did you just combine the "R" of goveRnment with the "A" of corporAte? FASCISM! Stop it. Stop it now!

 

[Into the Night]

Nice dodge. You lose. Investing in the company suggested by the OP would have lost you 25% of your money in the last 5 years.

He's not dodging, Sock. YOU ARE. You cannot blame YOUR problems on anybody else, Sock.

You ain't no investment broker, and this has nothing to do with accounting.

He never claimed to be an investment broker, Sock. You are hallucinating again.

You seem to believe that you can show up and force a private company to accept your 'equity' payment at your demand. That's the dumbest thing that you've ever posted here, and there a volumes of dumb posts.

It's public stock you can buy and sell, Sock.

Now go try your luck in another thread. You're doing terribly in this one.

Assumption of victory fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

fascism is the union of government and corporate power. like vaccine companies controlling vaccine mandate policy, or military contractors controlling defense policy.

can you imagine something like that?

Redefinition fallacy.