A Theology Question

Cypress said:
Words have standard definitions, I don't see how speaking with God was conflated with being inspired by God.

In the 21st century, one is a symptom of schizophrenia, the other is a reflection of religious devotion
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Speaking to God is one thing, God speaking to you is another. Mason claims God speaks to him because he was "chosen".
 
BidenPresident said:
Then, Jesus is an ethics teacher.
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Among other things yes indeed

His main job was to preach salvation but after that everything else was about morals, values and ethics

Jesus rarely spoke on specific issues, He left that to his disciples rather Jesus spoke on how we should live our lives
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Among other things yes indeed

His main job was to preach salvation but after that everything else was about morals, values and ethics

Jesus rarely spoke on specific issues, He left that to his disciples rather Jesus spoke on how we should live our lives
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I never understood the concept of salvation. Makes no sense.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Among other things yes indeed

His main job was to preach salvation but after that everything else was about morals, values and ethics

Jesus rarely spoke on specific issues, He left that to his disciples rather Jesus spoke on how we should live our lives
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Salvation is about morals, values and ethics both in the physical world and the eternal.
 
BidenPresident said:
I never understood the concept of salvation. Makes no sense.
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It simply means we are all sinners and nobody can enter the kingdom of heaven with sin.

So God came to earth and took on our sin through His death so that we would be able to enter

Salvation is simply acknowledging what He did because anyone who doesn’t will still have the sin
 
Tinkerpeach said:
It simply means we are all sinners and nobody can enter the kingdom of heaven with sin.

So God came to earth and took on our sin through His death so that we would be able to enter

Salvation is simply acknowledging what He did because anyone who doesn’t will still have the sin
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Yeah, none of that resonates with me. Just rhetoric of the myth.
 
Cypress said:
The claim that human ethical traditions came only through and because of biology and evolution was not an idea that originated in your mind. It's been around for ages. Richard Dawkins made a career writing about it.

The fact is there are no geniuses on this forum who are independently coming up with their own brilliant, original, landmark ideas.

We are reading college textbooks, articles, books, listening to subject matter experts, reading science journalism and filtering it through our own experience to decide for ourselves which ideas and concepts make the most sense to us.
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Those are valid points there, Cypress. I do not look here for novel ideas...and, in fact, seldom see them in the many columns opinion writers produce for the newspapers.

Good to see how old ideas are put to use by posters here, though.
 
Mason Michaels said:
You'll only contact God through personal revelation either by being called or chosen!
You can go to all the churches ,read all the books,talk to all bishops, priest,Popes,Pastors you can find,you won't find God! You'll be what you are now ,on the outside looking in! While insulting Holy Spirit filled believers as
Mentally ill!
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People who simply "believe" on these kinds of universal issues...are just blindly guessing.

People who are "Holy Spirit filled believers" on the other hand...are just blindly guessing also.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with blindly guessing that there is a god of some kind meting out punishment and rewards for whatever reasons...but to suppose the people who are not blindly guessing the same way as you are...are perforce mentally ill...is bullshit.

Get over that.
 
Quincunx said:
I sense you are an autodidact who never took a philosophy class. You have amassed a very broad knowledge of these topics through your extensive reading but you really have a problem with debating points.

One of the best parts of the philosophy classes I took in college was being asked to debate a point. Not just accept it because some philosopher said it. But to consider taking an opposing view of something and exploring that.

Debating with you is often somewhat uncomfortable because you take offense easily and when pushed into a corner defend yourself by simply listing authorities or books you've read.

You are easily the most interesting poster on here in terms of content but you seem to brook little disagreement.
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Every point you've made about the origin of ethics on this and other threads did not orginate independently in your mind.

You got those ideas from reading Richard Dawkins, or other articles on the subject written by noteworthy people.


I don't think it a radical thing to say nobody here is an intellectual genius, and we are the sum of our experiences, which includes reading and absorbing information from textbooks, articles, books, lectures, magazines, classes written or taught by subject matter experts. We filter and synthesize the information and come to our own conclusions about which ideas make the most sense.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
It simply means we are all sinners and nobody can enter the kingdom of heaven with sin.

So God came to earth and took on our sin through His death so that we would be able to enter

Salvation is simply acknowledging what He did because anyone who doesn’t will still have the sin
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Yet you still sin. Are you saying pedophile rapists of little girls on Epstein's Pedo Island get a free pass as long as they acknowledge Jesus died for our sins?
 
BidenPresident said:
I never understood the concept of salvation. Makes no sense.
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The concept of salvation...is nothing more than rationalization.

They want to be "salvaged" from the wrath of their god. They claim they sin...which is to say they do and say things that offend their god. And since they claim EVERYONE sins...that means their god is offended by way too much.

Their god ought to take a hike; judge beings in a different galaxy; and let us make as much of our lives as we can.

What we really ought to do is to return to the gods of the Greeks, Romans, and Norse. They were better gods...and a hell of a lot less controlling.
 
BidenPresident said:
Yeah, none of that resonates with me. Just rhetoric of the myth.
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You are actually a very polite man when people aren’t attacking you and I have a sneaky suspicion that God has been working on you.

Instead of looking for answers here or other places you should just open the door to God.

Now you don’t have to open it all the way , just a crack and you don’t have to fall to your knees and pray

But when you’re lying in bed one night just say “God I don’t get it, can you help me understand”

If you are sincere the Holy Spirit will descend on you and start giving you the answers you are seeking.

If God can create the universe He can certainly show you the proof you need

This is free will
 
IBDaMann said:
I fully admit that I am still waiting to be "chosen.".

Hey, could you do me a favor and just ask God the next time the two of you are communicating whether he might have accidentally skipped over my number? I'd appreciate it. Most organizations post an email address or phone number for those who have questions, but God remains unlisted. I don't have any other way of finding out.
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" Many are called few are chosen" .
The odds are you'll get called are being called!
Of course that's the difference between called and chosen.
Called you can ignore the call.
Chosen you have no option, you were Chosen and no matter how hard,how long you try to get out of it.
The Holy Spirit will just keep sending the message to you till you break down and surrender to the will of YHWH.
 
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