A troubling thought for some.

apple0154 said:
I thought it may be a good time to post this. Not sure who the author is.


Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show.

The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
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This illustrates that you operate intellectually on the level of an 8 year old.
 
Federal roads are paid for by federal taxes. Where does the fed get the power to set &/or approve what local roads or state roads or to what standards? Indeed, just like building codes, those should be state-by-state decisions.

The entry of fed into schools is not a good thing. If there were legislators with too much time on their hands, advisories might be ok. Unfunded mandates? Undue burden on schools.

Police & fire, along with other local public services should be under local control. Again with fed creep through block grants and the establishment of more unfunded mandates, the camel comes under the tent.

The tendency of government to 'grow' in both influence, power, and money grabbing, (not necessarily in that order), has occurred since the beginning of the 20th C.

So why 'today' are people reacting in such numbers and so loudly? Bush's policies awakened many, especially with NCLB and many decisions in last two years, (remember Dubai Ports? Bricks for the fence)? Obama's attempts at not only speeding the interference, but spending in a manner that made Bush look 'conservative' has awakened more. With the economy being much less than stellar, throw fear of deficits on top of fear of government and you have the tea parties and town hall meetings. These people are not going to ignore congressional votes.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You ignorant lout.....your firefighters are NOT a private enterprise, are they?

Social services are exactly that, and if you have the whole community pay taxes to a gov't agency to maintain those services and the standards by which they operate, then that is a form of socialism.

Deal with it, or continue to display the insipid stubborness of a willfully ignorant neocon parrot.
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Fire departments are not socialist organizations; read the definition of socialism. But we're way past that in this conversation; my post that you responded to basically said 'even if they were' that's no reason to become communist.

You ought to try and read a post before you respond to it.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Pay attention: The FEDERAL GOV'T makes sure that highways....NATIONAL highways.....are created and maintained. You and I and ALL Americans pay taxes into the coffers to make sure that happens.

GOT THAT, YOU IGNORANT FOOL? FEDERAL.....NOT PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.

And all the little roads in your towns and cities have to meet FEDERAL and STATE standards...ALL residents pay taxes towards this, NOT private enterprise.

GOT THAT, YOU WILLFULLY IGNORANT NEOCON PARROT? ALL CITIZENS PAY INTO THE STATE AND FEDERAL COFFERS FOR COMMUNAL USE ROADS....NOT PRIVATE ENTERPRISE.


So next time you want to go "phfttt" or say "Dooood" or "shrug"...you might want to ask an adult just how the world you live in works. Makes you look less stupid...because quite frankly humiliating you time and again is getting boring.
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Highways are paid for by fuel taxes and tolls; all citizens do not pay into these "coffers". Private contractors build them under contract with the government. The power to build these roads is enumerated in the Constitution.

Roads built by State and local governments have to meet their own standards, not the federal governments, unless the feds are funding them for some reason.

GOT THAT, YOU WILLFULLY IGNORANT LIBERAL PARROT?
 
Annie said:
Federal roads are paid for by federal taxes. Where does the fed get the power to set &/or approve what local roads or state roads or to what standards? Indeed, just like building codes, those should be state-by-state decisions.

Federal standards insure that when you cross state lines, you don't have to worry if the hotel you're staying at is up to structural snuff (for the most part, as no system is truly perfect). They work WITH State standards and laws to insure safety, quality and uniformity (without Fed guidelines, you'd need a map for changes every time you'd cross a state line....been there, done that). Same goes for highways, which by the way join states together in some cases. FYI:

http://www.strucalc.com/general-engineering/state-federal-building-codes/

The entry of fed into schools is not a good thing. If there were legislators with too much time on their hands, advisories might be ok. Unfunded mandates? Undue burden on schools.

History proves you wrong on this. Without federal funding and standards, public schools would be left to the economic/social winds of the individual states. As it stands now, you have states that rank behind others in literacy, etc., and that's WITH federal mandates. I can't see turning back the clock to make things worse. Also, there is that little thing about guaranteeing ALL citizens the right to have a fair shot at an equal education....unless you are advocating protecting a State's "right" to segregate it's population in education.

Police & fire, along with other local public services should be under local control. Again with fed creep through block grants and the establishment of more unfunded mandates, the camel comes under the tent.
What you state here is patently untrue. States do control their police and fire depts. The federal gov't provides additional funding and an adherence to standards that insure a uniformed police and fire dept. standards. In other words, you travel from one state to the next, the police and fire dept. operations should be recognizable and compatable.

The tendency of government to 'grow' in both influence, power, and money grabbing, (not necessarily in that order), has occurred since the beginning of the 20th C.

Sorry to inform you that if it were NOT for the federal gov't, the lifestyle that you enjoy so much wouldn't exist. You like traveling on highways? Fed gov't. Like clean water? Federal gov't. Like all those nice food stuffs that aren't native to your state (domestic & foreign)? Federal gov't. Do you think the phone lines and satellite transmissions that make this discussion board possible would exist WITHOUT the Federal gov't.? Do you think that when you go into Home Depot to buy a mass produced part that the Fed. gov't wasn't insuring it's quality? That's just a sample of reality.

So why 'today' are people reacting in such numbers and so loudly? Bush's policies awakened many, especially with NCLB and many decisions in last two years, (remember Dubai Ports? Bricks for the fence)? Yeah, prime examples of criminal negligence and ineptitude based on HIS guidance aka Homeland Security. Obama's attempts at not only speeding the interference, but spending in a manner that made Bush look 'conservative' has awakened more. Nonsense....you are misinformed, as your previous assertions demonstrate. With the economy being much less than stellar, throw fear of deficits on top of fear of government and you have the tea parties and town hall meetings. These people are not going to ignore congressional votes.
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The people you refer to ARE being driven byh fear coupled with ignorance and misinformation. This results in such fantasies as living in the same standards without any federal gov't regulation or oversight. Like you just showed, these people just don't understand how the federal gov't has been improving their lives over the decades, and how in order for the fantasy of total State autonomy to function, you would literally have to reinvent the wheel for goods and services to be traded across state lines....or you just rename the country the DIVIDED States of America.
 
Southern Man said:
Fire departments are not socialist organizations; read the definition of socialism. But we're way past that in this conversation; my post that you responded to basically said 'even if they were' that's no reason to become communist. which is even more ignorant than your initial blatherings....but I digress....
You ought to try and read a post before you respond to it.
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Any 8th grader who had been reading this thread would quickly point out to you that I and others were demonstrating how the SOCIAL SERVICE of the police and fire dept as they stand today are a FORM of socialism....just like the #1 definition listed by the M-L link YOU provided.

No one has stated what you assert above. To date, all you can do is repeat "no it isn't" and try to divert attention from the fact that you cannot debunk or disprove the examples as to why the opening post on this thread rings true.

You ought to try re-reading what has transpired before your fingers hit the keys....makes you look less foolish.
 
Southern Man said:
Highways are paid for by fuel taxes and tolls; all citizens do not pay into these "coffers". Private contractors build them under contract with the government. The power to build these roads is enumerated in the Constitution.

Roads built by State and local governments have to meet their own standards, not the federal governments, unless the feds are funding them for some reason.

GOT THAT, YOU WILLFULLY IGNORANT LIBERAL PARROT?
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I'm sure he has never read the Constitution or if he has, he sure as hell doesn't understand it.
 
Southern Man said:
Highways are paid for by fuel taxes and tolls; all citizens do not pay into these "coffers". Private contractors build them under contract with the government. The power to build these roads is enumerated in the Constitution.

Roads built by State and local governments have to meet their own standards, not the federal governments, unless the feds are funding them for some reason. You've only got PART of the story, as usual. Case in point, our highway system is currently in trouble...and the funding of repair is at the heart of the matter. READ THIS CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY in relation to the discussion: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20095291/

GOT THAT, YOU WILLFULLY IGNORANT LIBERAL PARROT?
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Once again folks, Southie demonstrates how is basic ignorance of FACTS leads him to make this pathetic statements. Here's a little truth for the nitwit to mull over or deny:

http://www.gbcnet.com/ushighways/history.html
 
TuTu Monroe said:
I'm sure he has never read the Constitution or if he has, he sure as hell doesn't understand it.
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So sayeth Blabba the liar......who is STILL won't admit that she was DEAD wrong about her little fantasy about the Amb. Wilson and the 9/11 Commission Report.

I kicked her ass SO bad that here she is two years later throwing rocks at me from behind other's skirts. What a dishonest coward she is.
 
Southern Man said:
Highways are paid for by fuel taxes and tolls; all citizens do not pay into these "coffers". Private contractors build them under contract with the government. The power to build these roads is enumerated in the Constitution.

Roads built by State and local governments have to meet their own standards, not the federal governments, unless the feds are funding them for some reason.

GOT THAT, YOU WILLFULLY IGNORANT LIBERAL PARROT?
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The bridge to nowhere was going to built largely with federal funds.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Any 8th grader who had been reading this thread would quickly point out to you that I and others were demonstrating how the SOCIAL SERVICE of the police and fire dept as they stand today are a FORM of socialism....just like the #1 definition listed by the M-L link YOU provided.

No one has stated what you assert above. To date, all you can do is repeat "no it isn't" and try to divert attention from the fact that you cannot debunk or disprove the examples as to why the opening post on this thread rings true.

You ought to try re-reading what has transpired before your fingers hit the keys....makes you look less foolish.
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Actually it was m-w.com, as in Merriam-Webster dictionary, not M-L, which must stand for My Liberal dictionary. But again, even if they were that's no reason to become communist.
 
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