Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

Taichiliberal said:
Over the years, I've read and listened to reports by and on parents who "perceived" that their 4-5 yr. old was gay, and proceeded to raise that kid in a fashion that "would not hinder or dissuade the child's development in that direction. No joke. Living in the NY suburbs and working/living in NYC all my life, I've access to all types of information via local/national media.

This type of attitude can and has led to kids being more prone to bisexual experiences/attitudes/experimenting than say a child raised by parents who treat child as their physical/biological gender shows.
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I understand your point.

I do not think I would call that nurturing a child towards gayness.

It is more to just a liberal life style.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Christian said:
Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

I think the answer is is quite important as it would show us the cause/source of homosexuality.

If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?

Regards
DL
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It is not an important question to me. Live and let live regardless of why people are who they are.
 
jbander said:
There is no answer, you have to create God to answer a question about if it is Gods fault, and there is no real answer on whether you are born gay or educated to be gay. Lots of opinion , mostly hate driven, hate based.
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Yes, thanks to the mainstream satanic religions. Christianity, Islam etc.

Regards
DL
 
Jarod said:
It is not an important question to me. Live and let live regardless of why people are who they are.
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For evil to grow, all the good people need do is live and let the evil bastards live and keep preachinbg evil.

Good people act.

Immoral people live and let evil people live displaying their unmerited hate.

Your is a position of a moral coward.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Christian said:
For evil to grow, all the good people need do is live and let the evil bastards live and keep preachinbg evil.

Good people act.

Immoral people live and let evil people live displaying their unmerited hate.

Your is a position of a moral coward.

Regards
DL
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Where does evil come into play here?
 
Gnostic Christian said:
Then you see the evil in those that discriminate against them without a just cause.

Good.

Point it out to them.

I see it as a good man's duty.

Regards
DL
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I agree about the duty.

But focusing on why makes it seem to matter, who cares why, it is reality that some people are gay and it’s nothing to discriminate against anyone about.
 
Legion said:
Cycle of child sexual abuse:

Researchers M.R. Hilton and G.C. Mezey discovered that there is a progression from victim to victimizer, as child sexual abusers often report a cycle of sexual victimization.

This is particularly common in pedophiles whose preferred targets are little boys.

Hilton & Mezey make some further points:

1. The more deviant the patient population, the higher the rates of past victimization

2. The choice of victims is dependent on the victims' physical characteristics, including age

3. There is often a tendency to abuse the victim in a way that replicates the offender's own experience of abuse

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8894189/
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This article only explores child abuse, not homosexuality.
 
Homosexuals are in all likelihood created by birth defects, but it's obviously not their fault and they shouldn't be denied equal status under the law because of it.
 
Gnostic Christian said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Over the years, I've read and listened to reports by and on parents who "perceived" that their 4-5 yr. old was gay, and proceeded to raise that kid in a fashion that "would not hinder or dissuade the child's development in that direction. No joke. Living in the NY suburbs and working/living in NYC all my life, I've access to all types of information via local/national media.

This type of attitude can and has led to kids being more prone to bisexual experiences/attitudes/experimenting than say a child raised by parents who treat child as their physical/biological gender shows.
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I understand your point.

I do not think I would call that nurturing a child towards gayness.

It is more to just a liberal life style.

Regards
DL
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If you understood my point, then you wouldn't have made that erroneous statement.

My parents are "straight" liberals (albeit registered Democrats). I have straight "liberal" friends & relatives who are married parents. NONE of these folk do the "nurturing" that I previously described. Yet, there have been gay children born among them...the rare exceptions to the majority of straight kids born. I would assert that this is the same for "straight" conservative married parents on the whole.
What I previously pointed to is what is being done by SOME parents. l
It is what it is.
 
Jarod said:
I agree about the duty.

But focusing on why makes it seem to matter, who cares why, it is reality that some people are gay and it’s nothing to discriminate against anyone about.
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The reason to question why, is that if the religious who say God creates us all recognize that, then they have to question why their God created gays.

Surely not just to hate.

Questioning will reduce the harm the religious are doing.

Education is always good.

Regards
DL
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Homosexuals are in all likelihood created by birth defects, but it's obviously not their fault and they shouldn't be denied equal status under the law because of it.
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Good, but your wish will not happen unless we actively try to educate homophobes and the vile religions that train them to hate without a just cause.

Regards
DL
 
Taichiliberal said:
If you understood my point, then you wouldn't have made that erroneous statement.

My parents are "straight" liberals (albeit registered Democrats). I have straight "liberal" friends & relatives who are married parents. NONE of these folk do the "nurturing" that I previously described. Yet, there have been gay children born among them...the rare exceptions to the majority of straight kids born. I would assert that this is the same for "straight" conservative married parents on the whole.
What I previously pointed to is what is being done by SOME parents. l
It is what it is.
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Sure beats dissuading the child from following his bliss and desires. Right?

Or do you think parents should push a child in one direction or the other?

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Christian said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
If you understood my point, then you wouldn't have made that erroneous statement.

My parents are "straight" liberals (albeit registered Democrats). I have straight "liberal" friends & relatives who are married parents. NONE of these folk do the "nurturing" that I previously described. Yet, there have been gay children born among them...the rare exceptions to the majority of straight kids born. I would assert that this is the same for "straight" conservative married parents on the whole.
What I previously pointed to is what is being done by SOME parents. l
It is what it is.
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Sure beats dissuading the child from following his bliss and desires. Right?

Or do you think parents should push a child in one direction or the other?

Regards
DL
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Your premise dodge and misrepresentation of the conversation. It ASSUMES that a child's immediate actions are a permanent determiner of their sexual orientation. As I discussed previously, they are not. My neighbor had 2 daughters and 1 son, the son being the baby of the family. Growing up at one point, he one day began to emulate his older sister's mannerisms. His father (old school Haitian), said, "That's it. From now on he does man's work only, and he can off the block to play with other boys (watched over by the eldest kid) instead of just staying here and playing with the girls (the majority of kids on our block).

Some say a tad extreme reaction, but the kid stopped his feminine emulations within a short time.

Just one example which is not the general situation in America, but you get the idea. On the flip side, I've got a cousin who is gay, but grew up as I did in traditional (damn near) "Our Gang-Little Rascals" environment.

It is what it is. My previous post stands.
 
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