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Dutch Uncle said:
I'm not quite that cynical yet. Maybe in five years. ;)
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I'm already there. It started with the "Raza Studies" program in the TUSD:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/raza-studies-defy-american-values/

Liam Julian at Flypaper points out that teachers who teach the courses with a Mexican-American perspective in Tucson are invited to attend a seminar in which they work with leading scholars in the areas of “Latino critical race theory, critical race theory, critical multicultural education, Chicana/o studies, ethnic studies, cultural studies, critical pedagogy, and critical race pedagogy.” He concludes: “It’s incredible.”
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https://www.edweek.org/education/controversy-over-raza-studies-in-tucson/2008/07

This was 2008, over a decade ago.

Raza Studies was an early Critical Pedagogy / Critical Race Theory program that radicalized the students. The teachers were Leftist radicals. Although much of the stuff that was available on the internet back then is no longer there (a big problem with our increasingly ephemeral digital world), the program held summer seminars to teach the teachers. The guest speakers were a who's who of the most radical Leftist Socialists and Communists in university education programs.

I worked with a reporter from the Arizona Republic, Doug MacEachern, on this including feeding him a detailed analysis of their bogus statistics on the program's effectiveness.

I went head-to-head with a couple of the teachers back then on the Arizona Republic's website and message boards. They were royally pissed over people not siding with them. Their argument was essentially I'm a teacher in the program so I know better than some random person what's going on with it... never offering a shred of evidence beyond that. They were defending the indefensible and they knew it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm already there. It started with the "Raza Studies" program in the TUSD:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/raza-studies-defy-american-values/


https://www.edweek.org/education/controversy-over-raza-studies-in-tucson/2008/07

This was 2008, over a decade ago.

Raza Studies was an early Critical Pedagogy / Critical Race Theory program that radicalized the students. The teachers were Leftist radicals. Although much of the stuff that was available on the internet back then is no longer there (a big problem with our increasingly ephemeral digital world), the program held summer seminars to teach the teachers. The guest speakers were a who's who of the most radical Leftist Socialists and Communists in university education programs.

I worked with a reporter from the Arizona Republic, Doug MacEachern, on this including feeding him a detailed analysis of their bogus statistics on the program's effectiveness.

I went head-to-head with a couple of the teachers back then on the Arizona Republic's website and message boards. They were royally pissed over people not siding with them. Their argument was essentially I'm a teacher in the program so I know better than some random person what's going on with it... never offering a shred of evidence beyond that. They were defending the indefensible and they knew it.
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So who do you think is behind this conspiracy and what is the end goal?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
So who do you think is behind this conspiracy and what is the end goal?
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It isn't per se a "conspiracy" but rather a cabal of radical Leftists starting from the 60's that have worked their way into academia, gotten tenure, and begun teaching radical Leftist, Communist, theories to their students. Those students, after years of indoctrination, have gone on to spread this bullshit into public education and the university system far and wide. What you are seeing now is just the broadening of this rubbish into the K-12 public school system.

My bet is their next move will be to make every effort to eradicate charter schools, alternative education programs, home schooling, and any other form of alternative education to force every child into their indoctrination and propaganda mill. Communists and Fascists of every stripe did that once in power. Can't have the kids thinking for themselves...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It isn't per se a "conspiracy" but rather a cabal of radical Leftists starting from the 60's that have worked their way into academia, gotten tenure, and begun teaching radical Leftist, Communist, theories to their students. Those students, after years of indoctrination, have gone on to spread this bullshit into public education and the university system far and wide. What you are seeing now is just the broadening of this rubbish into the K-12 public school system.

My bet is their next move will be to make every effort to eradicate charter schools, alternative education programs, home schooling, and any other form of alternative education to force every child into their indoctrination and propaganda mill. Communists and Fascists of every stripe did that once in power. Can't have the kids thinking for themselves...
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Ah, yes. As SecDef Rumsfeld once said, "Democracy is messy". LOL

Kids lean left. As they grow older and wiser they lean right. Some never grow up or wiser. ;)
 
Here, read their thinking for yourself.

Peter McLaren, college of education at UCLA, and hardcore Communist:

Interview with Peter McLaren: “Critical Education Must Transform the World”
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https://digitalcommons.chapman.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=education_articles

Peter McLaren’s Critical Pedagogy
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https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/atc/516.html
Marx, Capital, and Education: Towards a Critical Pedagogy of Becoming (Education and Struggle)
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Ford's book is available on Amazon

Review of Derek R. Ford, "Communist study: Education for the commons"
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https://www.academia.edu/29946875/Review_of_Derek_R_Ford_Communist_study_Education_for_the_commons_

Review of Red Pedagogy: Native American Social and Political Thought By Sandy Grande
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https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/...ir=1&article=1827&context=greatplainsresearch

Sandy Grande is a radical feminist, lesbian, and Communist. In the above book (she claims Native American heritage) she argues that tribal cultures need to be destroyed to bring Native Americans into the Communist fold. She teaches at the University of Connecticut.

Obama's Chicago neighbor who let Obama kick off his state senator campaign in his living room: (Oh, Ayer's wife is a convicted terrorist)

Bill Ayers, the ‘Critical Pedagogy’ movement and ‘Cultural Marxism’
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https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3179855/posts

Every major university now has this sort of radical in their faculty, many of whom are in the college of education teaching teachers. They are increasingly making their classes not only mandatory but requiring students to prove their belief in these radical, Leftist, Communist theories to graduate.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Here, read their thinking for yourself.

Peter McLaren, college of education at UCLA, and hardcore Communist:


https://digitalcommons.chapman.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1206&context=education_articles


https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/atc/516.html

Ford's book is available on Amazon


https://www.academia.edu/29946875/Review_of_Derek_R_Ford_Communist_study_Education_for_the_commons_


https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/...ir=1&article=1827&context=greatplainsresearch

Sandy Grande is a radical feminist, lesbian, and Communist. In the above book (she claims Native American heritage) she argues that tribal cultures need to be destroyed to bring Native Americans into the Communist fold. She teaches at the University of Connecticut.

Obama's Chicago neighbor who let Obama kick off his state senator campaign in his living room: (Oh, Ayer's wife is a convicted terrorist)


https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3179855/posts

Every major university now has this sort of radical in their faculty, many of whom are in the college of education teaching teachers. They are increasingly making their classes not only mandatory but requiring students to prove their belief in these radical, Leftist, Communist theories to graduate.
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Meh. That shit doesn't work in business. Fun while smoking pot around campus though. LOL
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Meh. That shit doesn't work in business. Fun while smoking pot around campus though. LOL
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The problem is that it does work in business. It is infiltrating the liberal arts side of businesses, like Human Resources departments. Sure, it won't fly with engineers and accountants, but much like the Pointy Hair Boss or Catbert in the comic Dilbert, the liberal arts majors that have been fed years of this are becoming the administrators and managers of businesses. With that they are making their companies incorporate this crap into their corporate culture.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The problem is that it does work in business. It is infiltrating the liberal arts side of businesses, like Human Resources departments. Sure, it won't fly with engineers and accountants, but much like the Pointy Hair Boss or Catbert in the comic Dilbert, the liberal arts majors that have been fed years of this are becoming the administrators and managers of businesses. With that they are making their companies incorporate this crap into their corporate culture.
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Did I already post "Democracy is messy"? What's the solution? Overthrow the Capitol, murder all the Democrats and reinstate Trump like the RWNJs want? Of course not.

Again it goes back education, not banning.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Did I already post "Democracy is messy"? What's the solution? Overthrow the Capitol, murder all the Democrats and reinstate Trump like the RWNJs want? Of course not.

Again it goes back education, not banning.
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Democracy doesn't mean you let your country be taken under by totalitarians in the form of Communists and Fascists.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Democracy doesn't mean you let your country be taken under by totalitarians in the form of Communists and Fascists.
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Correct but the assholes who say violent overthrow of the US government is the only way to save democracy are just as bad as the communists and fascists.
 
midcan5 said:
Darn, this thread went downhill. Back on topic:

There is a serious issue here, Fox OAN Newsmax are propaganda sites full of lies and an unbalanced reporting of the daily happening of politics etc in America and the world. Their viewers are misinformed, lied too really. While education matters, a fair and balanced media helps everyone understand important issues.

Going forward it is important Americans call a spade a spade. The republican party today is fascist and not democratic. Democracy does not appeal to fascists. That is clearly evident in the lack of support for an investigation about Jan 6th.
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...or it's clear evidence they are protecting the Lizard Lords and the Jewish Space Laser Corps.

Sorry, but calling the Republicans fascist is soooo 1960s. It wasn't true then either. It's just the same pablum fed to fucking morons like "the Democrats are communists!!!"

Clearly, like the Democrats refusing to indict or censure Hillary for her security violations, the Republicans don't want to investigate 1/6 because it will screw them in the 2022 elections...and probably the 2024...as if they are fucked anyways.

Neither party is putting America first. Both parties are putting their own political party first. The failure to investigate 1/6 is just the latest and most egregious example. That doesn't make the Republicans fucking Nazis anymore than supporting Medicare-for-all makes the Democrats fucking communists.
 
Much of the above chatter is just name calling. Words have come to be a substitute for thought. Woke conservatives use leftist and other terms as if they mean something, when they are only labels that ignore the reality of life today. It is a kind of trained response in which 'dark money', 'invisible hands', and power came to dominate the minds of the uneducated or easily led. The above demonstrates that clearly for there is a real world out there and the slogan words only have meaning for the tribe. See my link at bottom and check out these fact checks.

Back on Topic:

Watching Fox OAN and Newsmax reminds one of what Russian or China media must be like. There is no news but rather biased opinion which asked questions that solicit opinion while they smirk like they are telling something deep. Watching their faces is kinda funny, are Hannity and Carlson gassy or is this supposed to be a serious face? Really kinda weird. OAN hosts may be even be more gassy. Watch them if you doubt. What is the intention of strained faces. Fake angst?

'Latest False Fact-checks on Sean Hannity'

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=sean-hannity


'Sunday was never used before as a voting day in Georgia.'

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...siness-reporter-wrong-about-history-sunday-v/


'How Fox News, Newsmax vote-rigging coverage squares with defamation law '

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/23/how-fox-news-newsmax-vote-rigging-coverage-squares/


For those who want to learn and not follow:

'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein

'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney López

Brilliant read: 'The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy' Albert O. Hirschman

'On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century' by Timothy Snyder

'Injustices: The Supreme Court's History of Comforting the Comfortable and Afflicting the Afflicted' Ian Millhiser

*'White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America' by Nancy Rosenberg

'Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming' Naomi Orestes, Erik M. M. Conway


"One must be careful of books, and what is inside them, for words have the power to change us." Cassandra Clare
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Did you support Trump's Insurrection? Or are you denying it was more than a tourist visits where everyone was respectful of the seat of the US government and those brave men and women assigned to protect it?

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/18/1008...ence-against-police-at-the-jan-6-capitol-riot

https://twitter.com/x/status/1406688330490777606
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Ignoring your complex and leading questions as such, the answer is no, I didn't support the capitol riot on Jan 6. It wasn't an "insurrection" as no one--not a single person--has been charged with that crime. I also don't support the rioting all summer of Antifa, BLM, and related groups across the US that did over a thousand times more property damage, far more injuries to persons and police, and losses to business in the form of both property destruction and looting.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Ignoring your complex and leading questions as such, the answer is no, I didn't support the capitol riot on Jan 6. It wasn't an "insurrection" as no one--not a single person--has been charged with that crime. I also don't support the rioting all summer of Antifa, BLM, and related groups across the US that did over a thousand times more property damage, far more injuries to persons and police, and losses to business in the form of both property destruction and looting.
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I'm not a fucking lawyer nor do I play one on the Internet. You can call it a "Tea Party" if you like. <---See what I did there? LOL

The fact remains these fucking assholes tried to overthrow the government for Trump and Trump encouraged them. What is proved in court remains to be seen.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I'm not a fucking lawyer nor do I play one on the Internet. You can call it a "Tea Party" if you like. <---See what I did there? LOL

The fact remains these fucking assholes tried to overthrow the government for Trump and Trump encouraged them. What is proved in court remains to be seen.
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Then why were none of them charged with that?

Here, go through the official list of those charged...

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

I have. Nobody is charged with treason, insurrection, or anything like that. Most are charged with simple trespass and disorderly conduct.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Then why were none of them charged with that?

Here, go through the official list of those charged...

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

I have. Nobody is charged with treason, insurrection, or anything like that. Most are charged with simple trespass and disorderly conduct.
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I don't know and, TBH, don't really care. All I know for sure is that all of them are fucked.

Most were fucked to begin with because of their mental issues. Some will be doing some really serious hard time. I doubt the judges will be lenient with the violent ones or those who came prepared to be violent and attack Congress. Premeditation carries a huge multiplier with it.

Donovan Ray Crowl is a militia leader whose family knew he's been going around the bend for several years. His mother and sister acknowledged it and admitted there was nothing that could be done about it.

Notice that most of those arrested conveniently uploaded the evidence per Trump's orders. LOL

This isn't going away just because Trump or the Republicans don't like it.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defendants/crowl-donovan-ray

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1356106/download
https://www.facebook.com/WBNS10TV/p...watkins-traveled-to-washin/10159823831769369/

https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/...eleased-from-jail/DVGUX3YUAVBDPNZJ3ZJN2IBPGE/
He is accused of conspiring and participating in a riot designed to prevent Congress from certifying the presidential election for President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

He is charged with nine other defendants in the case, including fellow Champaign County resident Jessica Watkins.

Prosecutors also say that Crowl and Watkins are members of the Oath Keepers, a group that believes the government has been taken over “by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights.”

Prosecutors said Crowl held a leadership role with the Oath Keepers, while the defense denied Crowl being associated with the Oath Keepers at all.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I don't know and, TBH, don't really care. All I know for sure is that all of them are fucked.

Most were fucked to begin with because of their mental issues. Some will be doing some really serious hard time. I doubt the judges will be lenient with the violent ones or those who came prepared to be violent and attack Congress. Premeditation carries a huge multiplier with it.

Donovan Ray Crowl is a militia leader whose family knew he's been going around the bend for several years. His mother and sister acknowledged it and admitted there was nothing that could be done about it.

Notice that most of those arrested conveniently uploaded the evidence per Trump's orders. LOL

This isn't going away just because Trump or the Republicans don't like it.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defendants/crowl-donovan-ray

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1356106/download
https://www.facebook.com/WBNS10TV/p...watkins-traveled-to-washin/10159823831769369/

https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/...eleased-from-jail/DVGUX3YUAVBDPNZJ3ZJN2IBPGE/
He is accused of conspiring and participating in a riot designed to prevent Congress from certifying the presidential election for President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

He is charged with nine other defendants in the case, including fellow Champaign County resident Jessica Watkins.

Prosecutors also say that Crowl and Watkins are members of the Oath Keepers, a group that believes the government has been taken over “by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights.”

Prosecutors said Crowl held a leadership role with the Oath Keepers, while the defense denied Crowl being associated with the Oath Keepers at all.
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Actually, about 80 to 90% will plea out to misdemeanor charges and get a slap on the wrist, the other 10% will be split between those that have enough resources to go to trial or face serious charges. The ones that go to trial will mostly end up being dropped as the government won't have a solid case against them. The others in this group facing serious charges will plea out to a single felony and do minimum security time of maybe a year or two at most.

Federal persecutors don't want trials. They damn sure don't want one where the defendant and their lawyer is demanding discovery like all--ALL--of the security camera recorded video, all 14,000 hours of it. The persecutor will know that that is going to open a huge can of worms politically and is to be avoided. Better to let one defendant walk than have ammunition made public to let dozens, possibly up to a hundred or more, walk.
 
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