At What Point?

So, at what point do we tell our children that there is no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, or that babies don’t come from storks?

Where do we start providing them with critical thinking skills where they can begin to separate fact from fiction?

That people really can’t walk on water, that one boat can’t fit all animals, that rainbows are from the refraction of light, that people aren’t resurrected?

Where do schools draw the line on perpetuating myths without being at risk for offending someone’s theology?

At what point do we tell them that cow farts won't destroy the world. That stripping the middle class of all their wealth won't avert a climate crisis that never existed. That government controlling the means of production causes poverty and misery. That you have no "right" to what others work for?
 
You’re a well-known antisemitic, white supremacist and a liar, Fredo. Why do you think anyone but other lying, antisemitic WSE’s would believe you?

The Plot to Kill Jesus​

45 Therefore many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary, and had seen what Jesus did, believed in him. 46 But some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin.
“What are we accomplishing?” they asked. “Here is this man performing many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation.”
49 Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, “You know nothing at all! 50 You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”
51 He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52 and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. 53 So from that day on they plotted to take his life.
54 Therefore Jesus no longer moved about publicly among the people of Judea. Instead he withdrew to a region near the wilderness, to a village called Ephraim, where he stayed with his disciples.
55 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, many went up from the country to Jerusalem for their ceremonial cleansing before the Passover. 56 They kept looking for Jesus, and as they stood in the temple courts they asked one another, “What do you think? Isn’t he coming to the festival at all?” 57 But the chief priests and the Pharisees had given orders that anyone who found out where Jesus was should report it so that they might arrest him.
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The Plot to Kill Jesus​

45 Therefore many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary, and had seen what Jesus did, believed in him. 46 But some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin.
“What are we accomplishing?” they asked. “Here is this man performing many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation.”
49 Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, “You know nothing at all! 50 You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”
51 He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52 and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. 53 So from that day on they plotted to take his life.
54 Therefore Jesus no longer moved about publicly among the people of Judea. Instead he withdrew to a region near the wilderness, to a village called Ephraim, where he stayed with his disciples.
55 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, many went up from the country to Jerusalem for their ceremonial cleansing before the Passover. 56 They kept looking for Jesus, and as they stood in the temple courts they asked one another, “What do you think? Isn’t he coming to the festival at all?” 57 But the chief priests and the Pharisees had given orders that anyone who found out where Jesus was should report it so that they might arrest him.
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You’re still an antisemitic bigot, Fredo. Thump your Bible as much as you like, but you are clearly not following the path of Jesus since you harbor too much hate in your heart, son.
 

The Plot to Kill Jesus​

45 Therefore many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary, and had seen what Jesus did, believed in him. 46 But some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin.
“What are we accomplishing?” they asked. “Here is this man performing many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation.”
49 Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, “You know nothing at all! 50 You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”
51 He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52 and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one. 53 So from that day on they plotted to take his life.
54 Therefore Jesus no longer moved about publicly among the people of Judea. Instead he withdrew to a region near the wilderness, to a village called Ephraim, where he stayed with his disciples.
55 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, many went up from the country to Jerusalem for their ceremonial cleansing before the Passover. 56 They kept looking for Jesus, and as they stood in the temple courts they asked one another, “What do you think? Isn’t he coming to the festival at all?” 57 But the chief priests and the Pharisees had given orders that anyone who found out where Jesus was should report it so that they might arrest him.
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Gospel of John is widely regarded to have less historical value than the synoptic gospels, because it seems to have been written more for theological purposes.
 
Gospel of John is widely regarded to have less historical value than the synoptic gospels, because it seems to have been written more for theological purposes.
The purpose of the entire bible is theological. I can get much more in depth history from secular ancient history books.
 
The purpose of the entire bible is theological. I can get much more in depth history from secular ancient history books.
Nobody in the Levant and Near East were writing history two thousand years ago in the way we conceive of it. Historical analysis, narrative, and biography are a genre of writing that did not become widespread outside of Greece and Rome until many, many centuries after Jesus m

Papyrus and parchment are fragile ande written sources almost never last for two thousand years, unless people think they are so important they are willing to pay scribes century after century to make fresh copies.

If you want to know any history about ancient Palestine two thousand years ago, your sources of potential written historical information are going to be limited to a fairly small amount of written sources in including the biblical scripture, Josephus, Philo, etc
 
So, at what point do we tell our children that there is no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, or that babies don’t come from storks?

Where do we start providing them with critical thinking skills where they can begin to separate fact from fiction?

That people really can’t walk on water, that one boat can’t fit all animals, that rainbows are from the refraction of light, that people aren’t resurrected?

Where do schools draw the line on perpetuating myths without being at risk for offending someone’s theology?
Santa Claus really existed. He was a Saint in Turkey, well known for his philanthropy toward children, particularly poor children. He is otherwise known as St Nicholas.

I don't tell any kids there is an Ether Bunny (what I call it...it took a good swig of some drugs to come up with that one for Easter!).
Easter celebrates the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

People CAN walk on water. People CAMP on water!

Who says there was only one boat? Only one was documented, but there easily may have been others.

The rainbow is given as a symbol that the Flood will never come again. Nothing about it's mechanism changes that.

How do you know any of these are myths??

How do you know that no god or gods exist? Your religion is no different from any other, except that you are a fundamentalist about it.
 
What's with your piss and vinegar over the religious all the time? Not saying they don't dish it out but why play their game? Why are you so hellbent on showing off your anti-religiousness to a forum of maybe 50 regulars?
He is religious. He belongs to the Church of No God. Indeed, he is a fundamentalist.
 
I don't know what their doctrine is in Pentecostal and Southern Baptist churches, but walking on water is allegorical in other major Christian traditions.

We have to ask Jewish people about the Noah story, because that comes from the Torah.

The Resurrection seems medically impossible.
Not medicine.

Why are you so anxious to place limits on God, the creator of the Earth and everything on it? Are you seriously trying to argue that you know more than God does??
 
Two questions if I may:

Is there at least one GOD? (By "...at least one GOD" I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)

If there is (are)...what limitations on what IT (they) can do are absolutely necessary?
Paradox. How can anything, including any god, create a universe? Where is this god located before such a creation?

Nothing in Christianity says God created the Universe.
 
A couple of answers then.

There may be an entity that created the universe. I don’t know one way or the other. Nobody does.
Describe how this is possible. How can any god or gods exist before a Universe?

Now, is there a personal, interactive god? One that answers prayers (or not)? One that we generally think of as the Christian god? I have seen ZERO evidence of that god. I’ll go as far as saying those that think they have are deluding themselves.
You HAVE seen evidence of it. Life itself. The Bible. The presence of the Earth itself. The presence of the Sun and solar system. Prophets of God.
 
Both are good things. However, that wasn’t the question I posed.

At what point do we, as a society, and in our learning institutions stop perpetuating certain myths and teach critical thinking?

I gave a couple examples. There are more.

That evolution is science, not creationism.
That the Big Bang has a scientific basis, but Genesis does not.

And what is the tightrope educators have to walk before they endure the wrath, not of God, but of fundamentalist parents?
The Theory of Evolution is not a theory of science.
The Theory of the Big Bang is not a theory of science.

BOTH are religions.
 
Gospel of John is widely regarded to have less historical value than the synoptic gospels, because it seems to have been written more for theological purposes.
shut up with your dumb shit.

Here's mark 14

The Plot to Kill Jesus​

14 It was now two days before the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to arrest him by stealth and kill him, 2 for they said, “Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar from the people.”
 
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the whole cope that "the romans killed Jesus" is retarded.

they did it as a favor to local crony sellouts, the Biden-like pharisees.

Romans didn't give a shit about local cults and beliefs at this point in their history.
 
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