Be as smart as a Liberal... It's EASY!
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USFREEDOM911
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apple0154
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The reason is the Repubs interfered with implementing a proper program in the beginning. Just like they did with ObamaCare. Obama's greatest mistake was trying to get the Repubs involved. ObamaCare would be better than it is now if he hadn't tried to compromise with the Repubs. When he finally kicked the Repubs out of the discussions things like a public option had already been rejected. In any case, when Obama starts his second term he'll address the problems without the Repubs.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I think you need to go back and re-study history. The Republicans were instrumental in passing the Social Security Act, as well as Medicare and Medicaid, and it couldn't have passed without their support. You want to know why? You want to know what party was "standing in the schoolhouse door" at the time? Hmmm?
But still... We already have these programs, they are already being funded with our tax dollars, and they already pay for health care for poor and elderly people. You've not rationalized why we needed to completely re-vamp our health care system. We already had a program, you want to say Republicans messed it up, and we need another duplicate of the one we have, but there isn't anything that prevents Republicans from messing it up, is there? So what's the point? To keep inventing new programs that do the same thing, and keep watching Republicans mess them up? How many trillions are you going to spend doing this, before you discover it ain't working?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I don't think they had lobotomies, I think they were born that way!!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Wow... I can't believe DripDrip stole this from bravo to start a rival thread! Now it really IS LAME!
apple0154
MEOW
While one can take into consideration what a party did in the past the primary concern is what they intend to do in the future.
ObamaCare is not a duplicate. Yes, there are programs to look after the poor. The problem is who is considered poor? (Excerpt)American officials have deemed the current poverty line to be at around $22,000 for a family of four...(End.) (http://rt.com/usa/news/half-poor-america-poverty-909/) Do you think a family earning $23,000/yr is not poor?
(Excerpt) November 2, 2011 – According to the ‘Cost & Benefits of Individual and Family Health Insurance Plans’ report, released today by eHealth, Inc., the average premium paid for individual health insurance coverage in the United States in 2011 was $2,196 per year ($183 per month); families paid an average annual premium of $4,968 ($414 per month). The report also found that the average deductible for individually-purchased health insurance plans in 2011 was $2,935 for individuals and $3,879 for families.(End) (http://news.ehealthinsurance.com/pr/ehi/how-much-does-health-insurance-218305.aspx) Take $5,000 ($4,968) off $23,000 and we're left with $18,000. With four people trying to live on $18,000 do you think they have $4,000 ($3,879) to spare for a deductible?
So to say the poor are being looked after is simply nonsense. I put the following questions to you. Do you think a family of 4 whose total income is 23,000/yr or $25,000/yr is poor? Do you think they should be helped?
apple0154
MEOW
You're right. Most people are born that way. Studies have shown small babies have empathy for other small babies by offering their toys to a child that has none. It's the folks who have been brainwashed and/or acquired society's ruthlessness from the deviants and rather than object they adapt the same principals.
Althea
Althea told me...........
Excellent point. The average figures you posted are a tad low, no doubt due to the low quality HMOs, and low budget/high deductible policies.
A family plan that's worth having, will cost at least $1000/month. That's more than half of the annual salary of those making 23k/year.
Most people who spew the nonsense that we see in this thread, get the bulk of their premiums paid by their employer. Why would they want to change anything?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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And WHAT do Liberals propose for the future? More massive government programs that won't work, to fix problems that can't be fixed? More doubling-down on what insanity we've already done that didn't work? And WHY? To punish people they are jealous of? To punish our grandkids and great-grandkids who we won't have to face?
NO... that's not the problem apple, because if THAT was the problem, we could very easily fix it. We just raise what is considered "poor." DONE!
If they aren't, why have we been spending trillions for years and years to fund health the clinics? Medicaid? Indigent Care?
Are you saying that didn't fix the problem? And now we need this other program to do the exact same thing??? REALLY?
I don't think we should make judgments on who is poor, based on total income. All kinds of factors and circumstances can apply, not just the one single stereotypical example you can imagine in your pea-brain, apple. If a guy is sitting on his 200-acre farm in Iowa, and he grows all his own food and raises his own cattle, pigs, etc. and has solar panels and windmills, and all of his stuff is paid for... he may not need to make over $25k a year, but he lives perfectly fine and doesn't need my help.
Second... I don't have a problem helping those who genuinely need help. I contribute an enormous amount of personal time to help the needy each year. I think it is something we should ALL do, like voting. I give money to all kinds of charities, but it is important to give your TIME. I don't even have a problem with some of my tax dollars going to run the Give-5! Ad campaigns, because I think the message is important. But these bureaucratic out of control government programs are killing us... not helping us.
Here we are... 50 years down the road from where we started, with Federal funding for health care, and it's still not enough... it's never going to be enough!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I defer to your expertise on infantile behavior. However, I find it beneficial for us, as people, to behave like mature adults at some point.
...just sayin'
Dixie - In Memoriam
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A good many of us didn't want to change anything... that may come as a shocker to you, I know you thought we all LOVED the idea of Obamacare like you did, but it's not so. Most of us felt like there were some things that we needed to address, like TORT reform, and interstate commerce, ironically enough... but Democrats pressed ahead with this massive entitlement program, that isn't going to fly, and will be repealed in the next Congress.
You will be LUCKY to see a premium at $1k a month! Expect that to rise dramatically, as the demand for health care is realized in the field. This is ALWAYS the flaw to Liberal thinking... you don't consider the consequences of your actions, then when they happen, you act totally surprised by it! Simple logic should tell you, if we add tens of millions of new 'consumers' to the health care system, and we don't add any new doctors, nurses, hospitals and staff... what is going to happen? The demand will cause the price to necessarily increase, as is always the case. What's going to be the brilliant Liberal idea to deal with that, when it happens?
Not to mention, you've now made it law of the land that the Federal government can "TAX" you for not buying an insurance plan you can't afford.
Fucking geniuses, I tell ya!
Good lord you are ignorant. Those presently uninsured are being served...in emergency rooms instead of clinics and at quadrupple the cost. Tell us Dixtard, who pays the bill at the emergency room when the indigent consumer can't? Why must you be so short-sighted all the time?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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The hospital eats it, mostly. Now, they do raise their rates to help offset some of the cost, and they beg and plead at city council meetings and county commission meetings, to get some sort of handout from them to help, but the hospitals are the ones who cover this, as mandated by law.
Why aren't these people who are going to the emergency room, using the health clinics we're paying for? Anywhere there is a hospital, there is probably a public health clinic, why can't they go there? What was our purpose all these years, of funding these places with our tax money? I always thought, it was so poor people could have access to health care! Was there some other reason we spent trillions of dollars for this?
Save us all a bunch of time and change your name to moron will you?
Where does the hospital get the money to pay the deadbeat's bills, idiot? Taxpayers. You are paying either way. Wouldn't it be better if they could be served by cheap clinics (NOT MANDATED TO SERVE THE POOR FOR FREE, WHICH IS WHY THE POOR DON'T GO THERE, IDIOT) than at expensive hospitals? The state pays any bills unpaid by indigents after two years. How can you argue about something you have no knowledge of?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Well we're finding out in our little economics lesson with retards, that "taxpayers" pretty much fund every goddamn thing, because "taxpayers" are the ONLY people who have money!!!! Everyone who is not a taxpayer, is mooching off the taxpayer.
It would be BETTER if they used the cheaper clinics we've already paid for, and you haven't told me WHY they can't use?
Althea
Althea told me...........
Yes, cuz clinics fix broken limbs. Or stitch open wounds.
Congrats..you've finally made it to first base. Taxpayers already foot the bill due to the disgusting profits the healthcare industry realizes.
So now you can stop crying about the taxpayers funding Obamacare. It's cheaper than the status quo.
And this bullshit law is going to slowly evolve into a public option for those who want it.
Something the lobbyists wouldn't allow to come to the table the first time.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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The one in my town does it all the time. What sort of clinic doesn't do these things?