The people against it understand the Constitution
BIG!!! Trump Expected to EXCLUDE illegal aliens From U.S. Census
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The people against it understand the Constitution
T. A. Gardner
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No they don't.
Try reading it, moron. It makes no difference who it helps or hurts because it’s law on who is counted. If you’re for counting “all persons”, then you are following the Constitutional mandate.
T. A. Gardner
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https://history.house.gov/Institution/Apportionment/Apportionment/
If the state population doesn't include illegal immigrants then the total population of that state is lower. In states like California with a very large illegal population that equates to fewer seats in the House. Since the number of members in the house stays the same overall, that means other states with growing legal populations pick up more seats.
The Democrats recognize that not counting illegals primarily hurts states that have large numbers of Democrat held seats in Congress so they want this rule squashed.
https://history.house.gov/Institution/Apportionment/Apportionment/
If the state population doesn't include illegal immigrants then the total population of that state is lower. In states like California with a very large illegal population that equates to fewer seats in the House. Since the number of members in the house stays the same overall, that means other states with growing legal populations pick up more seats.
The Democrats recognize that not counting illegals primarily hurts states that have large numbers of Democrat held seats in Congress so they want this rule squashed.
The census, and therefore apportionment, includes EVERYONE. There is no fucking “rule” and no fucking “if” about it. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?
There was a political fight over the citizenship question on the census, which the Republicans tried to force through. They lost. We know the reason they wanted it. Very similar to voter disenfranchisement, they wished to decrease participation of the undocumented, who normally lean towards Democrats.
T. A. Gardner
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While it does state illegals have to be counted, the don't have to be included in the apportionment of House seats. That's what Trump's order does. It takes the illegals out of the count for apportionment of seats. His argument is they are not citizens and therefore have no Right to representation in the House being foreign nationals.
Yeah, they do. That’s how the Constitution reads. The Census and apportionment are inextricably linked.
“Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state,...”
Why haven’t you learned by now that Trump is a fucking clueless moron.
T. A. Gardner
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No, the Constitution reads they have to be counted. It doesn't say they have to be included in apportionment. There is already a body of case law on that supporting it.
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedic...U.S. House of Representatives from each state.
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/about/census-constitution.html
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-1/section-2/clause-3/the-census-requirement
I don’t know what you think your references prove, other than EXACTLY what I’ve been telling you. One of your references:
“The U.S. Constitution requires that a census of the entire population, citizens and noncitizens alike, be made every ten years (Article I, Section 2, Clause 3). The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution directs that the census will be used to determine the number of members of the U.S. House of Representatives from each state.”
Your other references validate that. And me.
T. A. Gardner
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Here's the White House's argument.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...ens-apportionment-base-following-2020-census/
This is the effect of excluding illegals from apportionment. The Democrats lose big time.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/societ...ressional-representation-and-federal-programs
The question also is... Why should persons illegally in the US be counted in apportionment? They have no right to Congressional representation as they are neither citizens or legal guests of the US.
I gave you the answer. Because it’s the law. Try a remedial reading course.
What do you think they would say about a Fascistic ideology that promotes illegal immigration, mobs burning and looting our cities, impugning law and order, supports confiscatory taxation, wants to disarm Americans, makes a mockery of our institutions and election process and which thinks we are too stupid to make it without Government????
You stupid presumptuous dumb fuck. STFU already you willful idiot. You add ZERO to any thread other than bloviate the same insane stupidity and epic TDS.
Turn CNN off you loony dunce.
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Exactly, TD, exactly.
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You stupid presumptuous dumb fuck. STFU already you willful idiot. You add ZERO to any thread other than bloviate the same insane stupidity and epic TDS.
Turn CNN off you loony dunce.
Wow! Good call, TD.
Absurdity; a sure sign of the last desperate refuge for liars, fools and ignorance; and those who have lost their arguments.
Acting like a whiny, thread trolling dumbass and worthless piece of human excrement is indicative of you not having a penis.
I can't find ILLEGAL aliens in there shit-for-brains.
Clue for you morons on the left; our founders never realized there would be a Party of the Jackass that encouraged people to enter this country ILLEGALLY. Dunce.