C.S. Lewis vs. Friedrich Nietzsche
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"Marriage customs and property ownership vary by nation." But, but, but you said 'natural law' and 'transcendent code'. How could it be different???
"But you are dead wrong in claiming a moral order is just whatever the majority claims it is at any given time." But, but, but you just said things are different in different nations???
193 nations have all signed one or more parts of the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is an unequivocal recognition that there is a natural moral order which exists by simple virtue of our humanity. Including, but not limited to, equality, human dignity, human freedom, freedom of conscience, etc.
You don't have to be a Christian bible thumper to believe in some kind of natural moral order. 193 governments of the world recognized it.
Agreed that's why he's pushing the genocide of Jews by the Nazis. He believes humans are purely animals and that we should live by "Might makes Right" on a daily basis.
$50 says he'd think different when someone comes to his room, beats the shit out of him and takes all of his stuff.
Another $50 says, at some point during the beating he'd start screaming "Dear God, please stop!" LOL
No atheists in foxholes, eh?
Might makes right, eh, Jack?
In Jack's ethical philosophy, if a majority of Germans decide Jewish oppression is acceptable, or if a majority of Rwandan Hutu believe the murder of Tutsi is ethically acceptable, then that supercedes any previous established moral order.
So. You agree that the Majority can come up with a Moral Code. If it was 'Natural', like you contend, there never would have been inequality between men and women, Queers being killed, or slavery.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed on your take.
Notice how he dodged my question about being an atheist without morals. Jack is seeking to justify his actions using the same tactics as Trump, Putin and the Third Reich:
1. Claim all rules have been violated by the enemy.
2. Claim the only way to fight fire is with fire
3. Destroy enemy by any means necessary including violating traditional moral codes.
Dutch Uncle
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It's easy to ignore you. You have nothing to say.
Yet you can't help yourself.
How long have you been an atheist, Jack? Does it have something to do with your Christian mother or atheist father?
Jack is stating the Reality of Human Existence. Cypress is pretending there is a 'Higher Authority' at work.
Transcendental:
"1. relating to a spiritual or nonphysical realm."
Yet you can't help yourself.
How long have you been an atheist, Jack? Does it have something to do with your Christian mother or atheist father?
Thanks for proving my point about your posts.
He belatedly realized how foolish his philosophy of morality is whatever the majority in a community decides it is at any given time.
You've got your work cut out for you in improving your reading comprehension. Moral philosophy is an immaterial, metaphysical part of the human condition.
Here is what you wrote:
Your philosophy, unless you want to backtrack from it, is that when the Majority in a community decides to commit a acts of genocide, oppression, ethnic cleansing, is establishes a new moral standard which supercedes and previous moral order
The reason Vlad Putin lied about his reasons for invading Ukraine, shut down Russia's remaining independent media, and does not allow Russian citizens to see images of flattened Ukrainian cities, is because he knows truth would shock the universal moral conscience of Russians as well as it has the rest of humanity.
The 'Moral Code' of the community, is whatever the Majority decides upon.
Whether it's who marries whom, who gets killed for what, or ... which Day is the Holy Day.
Your 'Natural Law', or 'Transcendental Code' is just a nice sounding Slogan for what YOU think is the correct Order of Things.
What is YOUR 'Natural Law' on Polygamy?
What is YOUR 'Transcendental Code' on Land Ownership?
Melchizedek = Michael
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Tyranny of the majority!
That's about it.
Dutch Uncle
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Thanks for proving my point about your posts.
Looks more like proof you hate answering questions that prove me correct, Jack.
I think Cypress is stumped on Polygamy, whether a guy with 3 wives or a gal with 3 husbands. His 'transcendental code' isn't speaking to him on that yet.
I'm also waiting for him to tell me about 'god' handing out Land Titles as a 'Natural Law'.
I was always on Team Plato, not Team Protagoras.
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Team Protagoras proclaimed that "man is the measure of all things". The majority can decide on a whim, or at any given time, what an acceptable moral standard is.
Team Plato believed that there is some kind of enduring standard of virtue we can gain knowledge of through our exercise of human reason.
You keep backtracking away from your claim that the majority decides at any given time what an acceptable moral standard is.
And here, you failed in your attempt to word-smith me. So what is the next failure on the agenda?