Dark Energy

I majored in math for my BA. I have 2 graduate degrees.

Are you working in a profession of your degrees? I didn't. Between a BA in Psych, an MS in IntlRel and 10 welding class certificates, directly, I got the most of welding.

IIRC, most people don't end up working in their areas of education...but then how many secretaries and mail clerks are there with four year degrees?
 
Nope.

You would think in an ideal universe, physical laws could be derived simply from first principles, aka mass, acceleration, momentum, energy, wavelength, frequency.
Mass, acceleration, momentum, energy, wavelength, and frequency are not principles. They simply are. Each of these are things that can be measured...like length or volume. It's like calling inches a 'first principle'.
Newton's second law, for instance, just involves mass and acceleration.
Nope. F=mA. It also involved force. There really is only just one law of motion, and that's it. The so-called 'three laws of motion' are really just different applications of this same equation.
But the universal gravitational constant,
There is no universal gravitational constant.
Plank's constant,
All natural constants do is convert a relation to our units of measurement. Planck's constant is no different.
and other constants had to be derived by measurment or empirical calculation.
Measurement. These kinds of measurements have been innovative to say the least.
There is nothing self-evident about them.
Sure there is. In Newton's law of gravitation, for example, you need to know not only the distance between the masses, but how much of each mass there is. Ordinary masses you can simply weigh on Earth. But how to you weigh the entire Earth? The first to do this, using an indirect method, was Cavendish. Other techniques have been used since then to produce a more precise value, but the measurement by Cavendish was so good that it's still used today for most work. This is not a universal constant. It applies only to Earth. The Moon has a different mass, the Sun has a different mass.

Galileo made the first measurements of acceleration on the surface of Earth, and by doing so showed that it was constant for all falling bodies in a vacuum (despite not having a vacuum available at the time!). It was shown to be 32ft per second per second. This is not a universal constant. It only applies to objects at the surface of Earth. The Moon has a different value. The Sun has a different value. This measurement was based on the theory of science that force acted in straight lines only (vectors).
 
Wrong again.

Newton and Cavendish were displaced by Einstein and General Relativity, who showed in 1916 that gravity is not a force strictly speaking, it is a geometry, specifically a curvature of spacetime.

Newton has not been falsified by Einstein, and the measurement made by Cavendish has not been discarded.
Einstein did not show that gravity is not a force.

It is not a curve of spacetime. It is a force.
Einstein's 'spacetime curve' is a demonstration of what gravity can do to light, and indirectly, was able to show that photons DO have a mass in certain cases.
 
Agreed, that's why I was saying that the universal physical constants seem like a basic, underlying fabric of reality, an ultimate truth perhaps. The universe cannot exist without them, we just translate them into units we can understand

That's the purpose of a natural constant.
 
Agreed. They are fundamental operating rules of the Universe. They exist regardless if we understand them or not. They exist even if we are not aware of them like Dark Energy and Dark Matter.

WRONG. They exist only because we measured them to convert a relation to our units of measurement.
 
No, Dutch Uncle's statement is entirely reasonable and plausible.
No. They deny the purpose of a natural constant, and conflates such a constant with the relation itself. It's a math error.
The point of searching for a long-hoped for Theory of Everything is based on the premise that there should be less of these messy little physical constants, and the cosmos should supposedly be able to be explained from first principles involving the direct properties of energy and matter.
Okay. Let's look at this 'Theory of Everything'.

Should such an equation even be conceived? What would it look like? What good would it do? Assuming such an equation existed, you could simulate everything in the universe but how do you know if your simulation is correct? How do you know the equation is even correct? We already HAVE a universe.

A theory of science MUST be falsifiable. That is, you must be able to test it against it's null hypothesis (in other words, to try to break it). That test MUST be practical, available, specific, and produce a specific result.

It is NOT the purpose of science to discover a Theory of Everything. The purpose of science is to explain (that's what a theory is...an explanatory argument). It may use various models (simplified structures and isolated examples) to make it's explanation, such as how light CAN be bent by the effects of gravity, or how a cannonball follows a parabolic trajectory, or how an explosive reaction occurs in chemistry.

The purpose of science is to summarize and explain what is observed by someone, or to extend a previous explanation into new areas.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all. A theory may come from anywhere. It may come from observation, from dreams while you are asleep, from watching an episode of Sponge Bob, literally ANYWHERE.
A theory is an explanatory argument. A theory of science is a falsifiable explanatory argument (in other words, it has been tested at least once to try to break it). As long as a theory can withstand such tests, it is automatically part of the body of science. It will remain so until it is eventually falsified.

Galileo falsified the theory that the Earth was the center of the Universe (first put forth by the Greeks).
Kepler and Tycho falsified the theory that planets and other objects in space followed circular paths (another one that came from the Greeks).
The Greeks knew that planets (including ours) was spherical. Better measurements have shown that planets (including ours) are spheriod, not perfect spheres.
It was earlier Greeks that came up with the concept of a flat or disc shaped Earth. By about 320 AD, that was shown to be wrong (by Greeks).

Newton didn't falsify anything, but tied the work of Galileo, Kepler, and Descartes together, formulating a law of motion that brought all of that work into one equation.

Since then, the idea of a 'universal equation' has wandered around.

Newton thought that there was such a thing as a zero speed (like an absolute). Einstein falsified that theory, but NO OTHER THEORY of Newton. As Einstein said, "It's all relative". There is no zero speed. Zero is literally what you want to say it is. Speed is just a measurement relative to something else.

By extending this theory to light itself, using a model, he was able to show that light itself is affected by gravity, and indirectly, showed that photons DO have mass under certain circumstances (such as when they are slowed or absorbed). The speed of light is slower through materials than it is in open space (very slightly). The slower the photon, the more mass it appears to have.

This led him to his special theory of relativity, explaining light and how time is affected by it.

The speed of light in a vacuum has never been measured. For most work, 300,000km/sec is used. It's close to the measurements we do have (which we know aren't accurate).

Reality is not a fabric. This word is defined in philosophy, like 'religion' and 'science'. There is no 'absolute reality'.
 
WRONG. They exist only because we measured them to convert a relation to our units of measurement.
Nope The standard model of particle physics has numerous unitless physical constants.

Newton's universal law of gravitation has been operating for over 13 billion years, and that includes the physical influence of the gravitational constant. Just because we translated it into units of human convention, does not mean the physical relationship was not in existence 10 billion years ago.
 
Or we are missing a key part of the puzzle. :)

This thread mentions one of them; Dark Energy. We can see the effects but the cause is still unknown.

I still favor the idea that a Unified Field Theory will come about...and it'll have to include both Dark Energy and Dark Matter. Something Einstein didn't know about AFAIK.


https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/what-is-einsteins-unified-field-theory/

As long as so-called 'dark energy' remain unknown, no unified field theory is possible, since the nature of such energy is unknown.
 
Good stuff.
I think we need a viable quantum theory of gravity to merge it with EM and the nuclear forces.
Quantum mechanics is not about forces or energy. There already is a quantum model of gravity in quantum mechanics.
One of the strongest theories of dark energy is just the cosmological constant: that even empty space has a latent energy imbued within it.
A void argument.
That just adds another universal physical constant into the cosmos, and to me is somewhat unsatisfying scientifically.
Because it's not science.
But it really would be a reasonably simple and elegant solution.
To what?
The nightmare scenario is that dark energy implies we do not fundamentally understand gravity, and it's back to the drawing board!
Newton's theory of gravitation has no yet been falslfied. As to what causes gravity itself, there are several models, but no theories.
 
Dark energy is weird, because our conventional theories of gravity imply the expansion of the universe should be slowing down.

Scientists were shocked, beginning in the 1990s, to observe that the expansion of the universe is inexplicably speeding up - accelerating. This has been independently verified by numerous research groups.

The catch-all term to describe this weird acceleration of the universes' expansion is Dark Energy.

How does one measure the expansion of something that has no known boundaries?
 
Newton has not been falsified by Einstein, and the measurement made by Cavendish has not been discarded.
Einstein did not show that gravity is not a force.

It is not a curve of spacetime. It is a force.
Einstein's 'spacetime curve' is a demonstration of what gravity can do to light, and indirectly, was able to show that photons DO have a mass in certain cases.
The reason you are so consistently wrong is because you cannot frantically run back and forth between here and Wikipedia with little snippets of factoids and expect it all to put together a coherent and accurate picture of scientific knowledge.

It takes more than three minutes of frantically scanning a Wikipedia entry to have a good working knowledge of the state of scientific knowledge.
 
The reason you are so consistently wrong is because you cannot frantically run back and forth between here and Wikipedia with little snippets of factoids and expect it all to put together a coherent and accurate picture of scientific knowledge.

You are describing yourself. I don't use Wikipedia. It does not define 'science' nor any theory of science. False authority fallacy.
Science isn't knowledge. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
 
The reason you are so consistently wrong is because you cannot frantically run back and forth between here and Wikipedia with little snippets of factoids and expect it all to put together a coherent and accurate picture of scientific knowledge.

It takes more than three minutes of frantically scanning a Wikipedia entry to have a good working knowledge of the state of scientific knowledge.

Agreed. However, an irrational person would have a problem accepting your point.
 
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