Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah

The Ugly Truth said:
Actually, he wasn't a psychopath. He was a sociopath. And he was a sociopath because he was an atheist. God changed his life. Modern medicine cannot cure a sociopath. But God can. Here's a video where David Woods tells his own story.

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this one at post 190?
 
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christiefan915 said:
Neither I nor anybody else said it was a medical problem. It's a personality disorder. The only question is whether it's innate or learned. You can't medicate it or psychoanalyze it out of existence. You can't put back a conscience that never existed in the first place.
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God can do anything. So, repairing someone's conscience would be a snap. People seem to think that just because medical science cannot cure something, or even determine what caused it, it can't be done. There are many illnesses that doctors cannot treat or cure. But natural remedies can do it. Google photo-luminescent therapy. It's been used to cure everything from the flu to cancer. And it does it with nothing but light. Doctors don't know everything. Modern doctors are little more than pill-pushers. That's a fact.
 
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ThatOwlWoman said:
They also believe that Catholics pray to Mary and to the saints. Instead, they ask for intercession. Mary and/or the saints are asked to intercede on behalf of the person requesting, with Jesus, to grant something -- a healing, forgiveness for something, etc. They don't believe that the saints have the power to do this, only that they have the ear of God.
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We don't need them. We have the ear of Jesus. HE is our intermediary with God. Our High Priest. Mary is a sinner, just like everyone else. There is nothing special about her. BTW, she is dead. And Jesus said that the dead know nothing. So how could she hear your prayers?
 
christiefan915 said:
She said the same thing I said, she just got there first. What is your point?

What about this question, which you obviously don't want to answer? "Do Protestants think Jesus wouldn't want his mother to be honored and respected?"
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Do you think Jesus would want us to pray to Mary instead of Him? Mary was a sinner. Where in the Bible does it say that we should pray to her? Besides, Jesus Himself told us how we should pray. He didn't mention Mary.
 
evince said:
what post number?
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I don't recall. Just Google David Wood. Why I am a Christian. It's about 30 minutes long, but it explains his his early life and how he finally asked God to help him, because nobody else could. He did it out of desperation. But God heard his prayer and healed him.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
Did you watch the video I posted. He said that after he became a Christian, he no longer felt the need to hurt others. It changed his entire outlook on life. He was cured. He went to college and got a degree. He is married and has four children. He gives every indication of having been cured. By his own admission, he has completely changed from what he used to be. You can deny it all you want, but he has been cured.
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Okay. I'm sure you believe that, and that's fine.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
Do you think Jesus would want us to pray to Mary instead of Him? Mary was a sinner. Where in the Bible does it say that we should pray to her? Besides, Jesus Himself told us how we should pray. He didn't mention Mary.
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Nobody said the praying was to either Jesus or Mary, that's all in your head. Do you even know what interceding means?
 
The Ugly Truth said:
We don't need them. We have the ear of Jesus. HE is our intermediary with God. Our High Priest. Mary is a sinner, just like everyone else. There is nothing special about her. BTW, she is dead. And Jesus said that the dead know nothing. So how could she hear your prayers?
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Catholics believe that she is in heaven with her son, Jesus. I'm not Catholic; merely explaining to you what they believe and how they practice. Protestants in general believe that there is no need for an intercessionary like the priest/pastor, a saint, Mary, or any other beings.... like you, they believe that they can speak directly to God.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
We don't need them. We have the ear of Jesus. HE is our intermediary with God. Our High Priest. Mary is a sinner, just like everyone else. There is nothing special about her. BTW, she is dead. And Jesus said that the dead know nothing. So how could she hear your prayers?
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Yet when Mary asked Jesus to fix the wine shortage at Cana, he obeyed her. She spoke to him on behalf of the wedding hosts.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
Do you think Jesus would want us to pray to Mary instead of Him? Mary was a sinner. Where in the Bible does it say that we should pray to her? Besides, Jesus Himself told us how we should pray. He didn't mention Mary.
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I think Jesus expects us to follow the lead of the Church, Peter, and the Apostles per Matthew 16:18.
 
christiefan915 said:
Yet when Mary asked Jesus to fix the wine shortage at Cana, he obeyed her. She spoke to him on behalf of the wedding hosts.
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Notice that she did not command Him to do it. She asked. And Jesus did it for his own reasons. Not because Mary asked him to do it. Also notice how Jesus replied about it not being His hour yet. He was reminding her that if He performed a public miracle, his private life would be over. It would be the start of His earthly ministry that would start Him on the road to the cross. Mary knew this, and accepted it, and told the servants to do do whatever He says.

You really need to educate yourself. Your ignorance is offensive.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
Notice that she did not command Him to do it. She asked. And Jesus did it for his own reasons. Not because Mary asked him to do it. Also notice how Jesus replied about it not being His hour yet. He was reminding her that if He performed a public miracle, his private life would be over. It would be the start of His earthly ministry that would start Him on the road to the cross. Mary knew this, and accepted it, and told the servants to do do whatever He says.

You really need to educate yourself. Your ignorance is offensive.
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You're putting words in the Bible that aren't there and you call me ignorant? Jesus obeyed his mother. There's nothing in the verse that suggests Jesus either would have acted or not acted before his mother called his attention to the problem. You say he did it "for his own reasons" what were those reasons and why did those reasons only come up after Mary talked to him? He could have said "my hour has not yet come" and ended it right there.

I guess you're having trouble with the dual nature of Jesus.

The Wedding at Cana

2 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. [SUP]3 [/SUP]When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
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6 [/SUP]Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And he said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. [SUP]9 [/SUP]When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom [SUP]10 [/SUP]and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested his glory. And his disciples believed in him.
 
christiefan915 said:
You're putting words in the Bible that aren't there and you call me ignorant? Jesus obeyed his mother. There's nothing in the verse that suggests Jesus either would have acted or not acted before his mother called his attention to the problem. You say he did it "for his own reasons" what were those reasons and why did those reasons only come up after Mary talked to him? He could have said "my hour has not yet come" and ended it right there.

I guess you're having trouble with the dual nature of Jesus.

The Wedding at Cana

2 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. [SUP]3 [/SUP]When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
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6 [/SUP]Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And he said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. [SUP]9 [/SUP]When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom [SUP]10 [/SUP]and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested his glory. And his disciples believed in him.
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You implied that Jesus had no choice but to do what Mary asked Him to do. You also implied that this gave her some supernatural ability, after she died, to hear our prayers and intercede on our behalf. This has no basis in Scripture. The Bible is clear on this. We are to pray to God, through Jesus Christ. Jesus, not Mary, hears our prayers and delivers them to His Father in Heaven.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
That's funny. I thought Jesus would rather have us obey Scripture. Nowhere in Scripture does it say we should pray to anyone but God, in Jesus name.
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Is Matthew 16:18 not scripture? Do you, like so many heretics, ignore John 6, and believe you can seek eternal life without adhering to the commandment to eat and drink of the body and blood of Christ?
 
The Ugly Truth said:
That's the one.
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this man is a sociopath

he feels nothing but the feelings for himself


religions saved him because his brain is wired a certain way.

studies in brain wiring show that certain human brains are wired to believe in a higher being ( they will adopt the teachings that are in their society which fill this need)


is there anything wrong with that?


absolutely not


religion does alot of people a lot of good.

It soothes their minds and gives them direction


Not a thing wrong with that


for you and this man to insist that I ,whos brain is not wired to believe in a higher being, described by your religion and HOW YOU THEN INTERPRET THAT INFORMATION are somehow this sociopaths lessor is EVIL


I as atheist can accept your interpitation of how you are able to make sense of existence and merely say "good for you if it keeps you from harming others" and yet you need t SHAME ME AND MY BELIEFS just to retain your own believes is not very decent huh.


YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE


yet to you I am inferior for not sharing your belief


I believe in reality


I believe what can be proven through actual proof


there is no proof of gods or monsters


its called faith


you believe in god based on faith


you believe that faith comes from god


that's fine


its brain wiring.


this man is not an example of the horrors you pretend are part of atheism


this man is an example of how much harm can from not treating children properly.


the distruction is multiplied when that child has the brain wiring of a sociopath.


Its not their fault

they are no more at fault than a diabetic child is at fault.


children must be treated with decency and care



most people are mostly good


some people are like saints

and some people are complete rat bastards


why is that?


human interaction and brain wiring.


4 in 100 people are sociopaths


3 will be men


1 will be a woman



no matter what religion they profess.


organized religion creates the perfect scaffolding for a sociopath to claim to power


their religious doctrine is all written out for them so they KNOW how to fake caring about others.


when you are an atheist there is no created doctrine that exsits for you to get your cues from to fake caring.


but fortunately humans care

we have been designed by our own ability to proliferate the planet by being caring beings.


humans exists and proliferated because we LOVE and will take in our arms the weak and needy and sacrafice our own comfort and even at times lives to protect and feed and nurture the weak amoung us.


just saying these words makes by body tingle


in your brain wiring you need to explain that with a god.


that is fine

all power to you if it makes you MORE HUMAN


it works for you.


GOOD


I see the world differently


I see no need for this god you need to make sense of the world



I see humans and feel love for them


I sense their goodness and kindness and willingness to sacrifice and feel whole with the world.


I wish you could feel the utter beauty that .

Your brain wiring doesn't make it possible I guess.


that's fine


but don't degrade the beauty of my beliefs to hold your own on high and shame me.



I am as wonderful and awesome as you believe you are.


that guy in your video ?


I hope he stays on the straight and narrow and never hurts people again.


I will never trust him


he could merely be faking it to gain power over others


its his self admitted life pattern.


he was born a sociopath and hasn't really changed


he acts better hopefully


But I was born with a caring heart


I have always cared for others at my own self detriment.


I don't expect it to pay off in this life or anything that may be after this life.


No one is going to reward me for being this way.


My heart repays me


I do it because I cant do otherwise and live in my own skin.


No god needed for me in that equation


I am in fact just one of the mostly good people who walk this earth.


I dream of being saint like but know it will never be.


and let me clarify

I don't believe in saints but I do believe in people so GOOD that they can move the souls of other humans to be the best human they can muster by whatever beliefs they may conjour in their minds.



I do feel pride that I am one of the people who sees the goodness in mankind and why are brains are wired to help.


we are wonderful beings and need to nurture and help each other even if are brains are wired differently and view a path to goodness in differing ways




wont you join me?
 
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