Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah

PostmodernProphet said:
yeah....except you said they do and she said they don't........same-same.......

lol.....sure, because the only way to respect somebody's mom is to pray to her for intercession........
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:rolleyes: When you put a Prayer for Relief in your legal complaint, are you worshiping someone?

Nobody said it was the only way to respect someone's mom. Do you or don't you think the God-bearer should be honored and respected?
 
christiefan915 said:
You're putting words in the Bible that aren't there and you call me ignorant? Jesus obeyed his mother. There's nothing in the verse that suggests Jesus either would have acted or not acted before his mother called his attention to the problem. You say he did it "for his own reasons" what were those reasons and why did those reasons only come up after Mary talked to him? He could have said "my hour has not yet come" and ended it right there.

I guess you're having trouble with the dual nature of Jesus.

The Wedding at Cana

2 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. [SUP]3 [/SUP]When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]7 [/SUP]Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And he said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. [SUP]9 [/SUP]When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom [SUP]10 [/SUP]and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested his glory. And his disciples believed in him and prayed to Mary.
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okay......now I see it......
 
christiefan915 said:
Pay attention to the part where he was carried in Mary's womb and stop disrespecting her. She was the God-bearer. It was through Mary that God came to earth, ask yourself why he didn't just appear out of the blue. She was chosen to give him human life and deserves honor and esteem. That's not the same as worshiping her.
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saying it is wrong to worship her or even just pray to her is not disrespecting her......
 
That's funny. I thought this thread was discussing Islam. Can't you atheist blowhards stay on topic? Everyone. Please ignore any future attempts to deflect the discussion. This thread is about muslims and what their 'holy' book teaches.
 
evince said:
this man is a sociopath

he feels nothing but the feelings for himself


religions saved him because his brain is wired a certain way.

studies in brain wiring show that certain human brains are wired to believe in a higher being ( they will adopt the teachings that are in their society which fill this need)


is there anything wrong with that?


absolutely not


religion does alot of people a lot of good.

It soothes their minds and gives them direction


Not a thing wrong with that


for you and this man to insist that I ,whos brain is not wired to believe in a higher being, described by your religion and HOW YOU THEN INTERPRET THAT INFORMATION are somehow this sociopaths lessor is EVIL


I as atheist can accept your interpitation of how you are able to make sense of existence and merely say "good for you if it keeps you from harming others" and yet you need t SHAME ME AND MY BELIEFS just to retain your own believes is not very decent huh.


YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE


yet to you I am inferior for not sharing your belief


I believe in reality


I believe what can be proven through actual proof


there is no proof of gods or monsters


its called faith


you believe in god based on faith


you believe that faith comes from god


that's fine


its brain wiring.


this man is not an example of the horrors you pretend are part of atheism


this man is an example of how much harm can from not treating children properly.


the distruction is multiplied when that child has the brain wiring of a sociopath.


Its not their fault

they are no more at fault than a diabetic child is at fault.


children must be treated with decency and care



most people are mostly good


some people are like saints

and some people are complete rat bastards


why is that?


human interaction and brain wiring.


4 in 100 people are sociopaths


3 will be men


1 will be a woman



no matter what religion they profess.


organized religion creates the perfect scaffolding for a sociopath to claim to power


their religious doctrine is all written out for them so they KNOW how to fake caring about others.


when you are an atheist there is no created doctrine that exsits for you to get your cues from to fake caring.


but fortunately humans care

we have been designed by our own ability to proliferate the planet by being caring beings.


humans exists and proliferated because we LOVE and will take in our arms the weak and needy and sacrafice our own comfort and even at times lives to protect and feed and nurture the weak amoung us.


just saying these words makes by body tingle


in your brain wiring you need to explain that with a god.


that is fine

all power to you if it makes you MORE HUMAN


it works for you.


GOOD


I see the world differently


I see no need for this god you need to make sense of the world



I see humans and feel love for them


I sense their goodness and kindness and willingness to sacrifice and feel whole with the world.


I wish you could feel the utter beauty that .

Your brain wiring doesn't make it possible I guess.


that's fine


but don't degrade the beauty of my beliefs to hold your own on high and shame me.



I am as wonderful and awesome as you believe you are.


that guy in your video ?


I hope he stays on the straight and narrow and never hurts people again.


I will never trust him


he could merely be faking it to gain power over others


its his self admitted life pattern.


he was born a sociopath and hasn't really changed


he acts better hopefully


But I was born with a caring heart


I have always cared for others at my own self detriment.


I don't expect it to pay off in this life or anything that may be after this life.


No one is going to reward me for being this way.


My heart repays me


I do it because I cant do otherwise and live in my own skin.


No god needed for me in that equation


I am in fact just one of the mostly good people who walk this earth.


I dream of being saint like but know it will never be.


and let me clarify

I don't believe in saints but I do believe in people so GOOD that they can move the souls of other humans to be the best human they can muster by whatever beliefs they may conjour in their minds.



I do feel pride that I am one of the people who sees the goodness in mankind and why are brains are wired to help.


we are wonderful beings and need to nurture and help each other even if are brains are wired differently and view a path to goodness in differing ways




wont you join me?
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I answered you after watching the entire 34 minute video?


please answer me
 
The Ugly Truth said:
Actually, he wasn't a psychopath. He was a sociopath. And he was a sociopath because he was an atheist. God changed his life. Modern medicine cannot cure a sociopath. But God can. Here's a video where David Woods tells his own story.

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I was answering what you posted and you insult me for it


you are a terrible Christian who lies and slanders people
 
Threedee said:
Is Matthew 16:18 not scripture? Do you, like so many heretics, ignore John 6, and believe you can seek eternal life without adhering to the commandment to eat and drink of the body and blood of Christ?
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absolutely.....weren't you aware of that?......you obtain eternal life by accepting Christ, not by obeying RCC edicts.......
 
The Ugly Truth said:
That's funny. I thought this thread was discussing Islam. Can't you atheist blowhards stay on topic? Everyone. Please ignore any future attempts to deflect the discussion. This thread is about muslims and what their 'holy' book teaches.
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I am a more moral person than you are

you shame your own religion with lies and slander
 
The Ugly Truth said:
That's funny. I thought this thread was discussing Islam. Can't you atheist blowhards stay on topic? Everyone. Please ignore any future attempts to deflect the discussion. This thread is about muslims and what their 'holy' book teaches.
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YOU CHANGED THE SUBJECT
 
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