Does monotheism cause violence? New book says, yes.

[ZenMode]

Stalin and Mao were motivated by commie doctrine, which is atheist, and attempted to stamp out the "Opiate of the people". Each murdered millions in the name of atheist ideology.

I wouldn't say that communism ideology is inherently atheist. Religion was viewed, by Stalin, as a road block for spreading and successfully implementing communism.

 

[Cypress]

When you asked the question of whether there were any Christian communities in the last 100 years that engaged in mass violence, you obviously were ignorant of the religious dimension of the Balkans Wars.

That explains why you kept backtracking to try to modify and edit your question after the fact, in an attempt to sweep the Christian dimension under the rug.

Threads like this always highlight that Holy Rollers and militant atheists both are keen to sugarcoat their respective ideologies' role in religiously motivated mass violence.

 

[Cypress]

I wouldn't say that communism ideology is inherently atheist. Religion was viewed, by Stalin, as a road block for spreading and successfully implementing communism.

politics, religion, and war do not operate in a pure vacuum, whether it is the Vatican or the Kremlin.

Lenin and Stalin were militant atheists keen on stamping out religion in the USSR.

They used murder, imprisonment, and oppression to attempt to achieve those goals.

You don't even have to be a Communist to be a violent militant atheist. The French Revolution, and especially the great terror of 1793 tried to destroy religion by oppression and murder.

 

[BidenPresident]

Threads like this always highlight that Holy Rollers and militant atheists both are keen to sugarcoat their respective ideologies' role in religiously motivated mass violence.

Thread is about monotheism. It is you who always derails threads.

 

[Truth Detector]

I would agree with you if the things you said were true, but most are just wrong:

And yet, you're wrong and continue to lie.

I never called it an "insurrection." I called it a riot.

A difference with little distinction. But an entire party and it's media acolytes ARE calling it an insurrection.

But it was a seditious conspiracy for those involved in the planning and coordination and were convicted on that charge.

There was no "rebellion". It was a protest and there was trespass.

sedition
[ si-dish-uhn ]
noun

incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.

An insurrection does not require firearms,

Can't have one without them dipshit.

but several people were charged with firearm violations and there were many other weapons used that day.

OMG!

I never compared it to 9/11--you are delusional.

OTHERS have, you willful idiot. Why is everything about YOU? Dumbass.

Neither does an insurrection require people to die

It would be hard to take over an armed government without it, dumbass.

... but Babbit was not the only death that day. Another demonstrator died that day. Plus 140 police officers injured. Surely you saw the officers being assaulted, wedged in the door.

So what? More died or were injured in the massive BLM riots but they were described as.....wait for it......mostly peaceful.

They did stop the vote counting that day and removed the members of Congress from the Capitol. The reconvened later that day and did not complete the counting until the next morning.

They didn't stop anything. The count went on.

BLM riots? That has nothing to do with January 6. But, but, but....BLM. Twice as many were prosecuted for BLM than January 6.

Link to that bullshit snowflake.

The people who were "allowed" into the Capitol were not the problem.

Good, you admit that many were ALLOWED into the capitol. And yet, the Democrat Fascists are arresting them too.

I never defended anything the Democrats did other than defeating Trump's reelection.

You do it every day. Your TDS is fascinating.

Putting together a defense of the Capitol riots with fake facts makes you a victim of Trump's lies. Why are you so gullible to believe his lies when you can check most of those facts yourself. I am still waiting for the name of one county that had more votes than registered voters; so far, no answers because there are none.

STRAWMAN. If you aren't fabricating or outright lying, you're building strawmen. NO ONE defends anyone who acted in a violent manner or attacked the police that day.

I never said Trump encouraged the violence.

BUT DEMOCRATS and their MEDIA acolytes ARE. Why is everything about YOU?

But it would not have occurred if those people had not believed his incredible lies about voter fraud.

How are they lies? Any proof that the election was perfect? Of course not. Apparently, you believe that 96% of all registered voters in America voted in 2020? Why that was a miracle, wasn't it snowflake?

Summary: The vote count was never stopped. There was no conspiracy. There was no coup. There was no insurrection. There was trespass and violence which apparently increased when police started beating the crowd back with batons and tear gas.

Very little was damaged. And yet, we have an inquisition against Trump 600 days in from that date and no end in sight. Why? Because the left insists that the election was perfect. SATY IT!! SHUT UP!!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I wouldn't say that communism ideology is inherently atheist. Religion was viewed, by Stalin, as a road block for spreading and successfully implementing communism.

Obviously, you never read the Communist Manifesto. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

“There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of
society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality,
instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical
experience.”
---
Do Communists reject existing religions?
Answer: All religions which have existed hitherto were expressions of historical
stages of development of individual peoples or groups of peoples. But
communism is that stage of historical development which makes all existing
religions superfluous and supersedes them.
----

What will be its attitude to existing religions?
All religions so far have been the expression of historical stages of development of individual
peoples or groups of peoples. But communism is the stage of historical development which
makes all existing religions superfluous and brings about their disappearance.

 

[Truth Detector]

You ignore obvious facts. They could only trespass after they used bike racks, barriers, flag polls, etc. to break windows and doors. You did not see that on the videos? Or, did you ignore the facts?

That's another laughable lie. I used the term trespass because that is what most of the charges resulted in dipstick.

The Democrats and 2020 riots are irrelevant to the January 6 attack--a attempt to divert from the issue because they lack the balls to take responsibility for their actions and stupidity.

They are relevant in that it illustrates the massive hypocrisy of the morons in the Democratic Party tryong to act like January 6th was the worst dfay in American history comparing it to Pearl Harbor and 9-11.

“I would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. “Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem... The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction: You do not represent our country, and to those who broke the law: You will pay,”

--Donald Trump

Doesn't support your dishonest narrative dipstick.

 

[ZenMode]

politics, religion, and war do not operate in a pure vacuum, whether it is the Vatican or the Kremlin.

Lenin and Stalin were militant atheists keen on stamping out religion in the USSR.

They used murder, imprisonment, and oppression to attempt to achieve those goals.

You don't even have to be a Communist to be a violent militant atheist. The French Revolution, and especially the great terror of 1793 tried to destroy religion by oppression and murder.

I agree that politics and religion have a lot of overlap. However, Stalin was attempting to implement a political/economic ideology which he viewed as being inhibited by religious ideologies.

 

[Flash]

injured minorly.

stfu.

Why do you lie?

mature response, must be that Christian love being demonstrated

 

[Kamala Trump]

Why do you lie?

mature response, must be that Christian love being demonstrated

minor injuries. no deaths.


give me the list of the dead cops.

 

[Flash]

And yet, you're wrong and continue to lie.

The vote never stopped?

You are very misinformed. Congress recessed at 2:00 p.m. and reconvened at 8:00 p.m and did not complete the process until about 4:00 a.m. These are all things should know if you bothered to read. It is all on C-SPAN video. I guess they did not cover it on Fox or Newsmax.
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sedition
[ si-dish-uhn ]
noun
incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.

It is good to hear there was no discontent against government. They sure got violent over nothing.

But...but...BLM Riots. Diversion

No, 96% of registered voters did not vote. You have been shown this multiple times. The Census Bureau number of registered voters was less than the total of all registered voters reported by each state.

There was about 209,000,000 registered voters and 158,000,000 voters. That is about 75% of registered voters.

The riot did not result in an insurrection because they failed.
































Summary: The vote count was never stopped. There was no conspiracy. There was no coup. There was no insurrection. There was trespass and violence which apparently increased when police started beating the crowd back with batons and tear gas.

Very little was damaged. And yet, we have an inquisition against Trump 600 days in from that date and no end in sight. Why? Because the left insists that the election was perfect. SATY IT!! SHUT UP!![/QUOTE]

 

[Flash]

minor injuries. no deaths.


give me the list of the dead cops.

You mean the ones who died from strokes or suicide in the following day(s)?

Would dead cops prove an insurrection?

They thought the Trump supporter who died was trampled by the crowd, but it was fentanyl. I guess they had to drug the crowd to get them to attack.

 

[Kamala Trump]

You mean the ones who died from strokes or suicide in the following day(s)?

Would dead cops prove an insurrection?

They thought the Trump supporter who died was trampled by the crowd, but it was fentanyl. I guess they had to drug the crowd to get them to attack.

It would help.

none died from the actions of a trumper.

 

[Flash]

It would help.

none died from the actions of a trumper.

I wonder if Babbit and the fentanyl lady would be dead if they had not joined in the peaceful rally?

 

[Flash]

Doesn't support your dishonest narrative dipstick.

Sure it does. My description fits everything Trump said:

Heinous attack
Outraged by violence, lawlessness, and mayhem
Defiled seat of American democracy
Those who engaged in acts of violence and destruction do not represent our country
Those who broke the law will (hopefully) pay

That about sums it up

 

[Cypress]

Thread is about monotheism. It is you who always derails threads.

I didn't derail anything. I responded to a Holly Roller on your thread who claimed Christian communities had not engaged in violence in the last century, and I responded another poster who attempted to sugar coat the history of state atheism.

You can go yell at the posters who brought those topics up.

 

[Flash]

Obviously, you never read the Communist Manifesto.

Do you think the Communist Manifesto has much to do with Communism today?

I don't think there is a single Communist nation that did not previously have a hierarchical authoritarian or totalitarian government before it became Communist. It fit the culture.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Do you think the Communist Manifesto has much to do with Communism today?

I don't think there is a single Communist nation that did not previously have a hierarchical authoritarian or totalitarian government before it became Communist. It fit the culture.

It doesn't matter.

Are you saying Commies are religious?

 

[Flash]

It doesn't matter.

Are you saying Commies are religious?

It might not be part of the official ideology but the mass of the population does not abandon its religion because their country becomes Communist. Some leaders do not try to squash religion too much because it alienates the people. Restrictions on the Catholic Church were lifted in Cuba and Catholics are free to join the Communist Party.

Some studies of Communist nations that try to identify common characteristics found the only thing they have in common is that they identify as Communist and are ruled by the Communist Party.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It might not be part of the official ideology but the mass of the population does not abandon its religion because their country becomes Communist. Some leaders do not try to squash religion too much because it alienates the people. Restrictions on the Catholic Church were lifted in Cuba and Catholics are free to join the Communist Party.

Some studies of Communist nations that try to identify common characteristics found the only thing they have in common is that they identify as Communist and are ruled by the Communist Party.

Agreed that the communist efforts failed. Just like early Christians worshiped in hiding, so do the Chinese and Russian ones.

https://www.history.com/news/joseph-stalin-religion-atheism-ussr
Why Stalin Tried to Stamp Out Religion in the Soviet Union
Joseph Stalin led a uniquely brutal campaign against religion and religious leaders.

When the era of Communist rule began in Russia in 1917, religion was seen as a hindrance to a thriving socialist society. As Karl Marx, coauthor of the The Communist Manifesto, declared, “Communism begins where atheism begins.”

Joseph Stalin, as the second leader of the Soviet Union, tried to enforce militant atheism on the republic. The new “socialist man,” Stalin argued, was an atheist one, free of the religious chains that had helped to bind him to class oppression. From 1928 until World War II, when some restrictions were relaxed, the totalitarian dictator shuttered churches, synagogues and mosques and ordered the killing and imprisonment of thousands of religious leaders in an effort to eliminate even the concept of God.

“He saw this as a way of getting rid of a past that was holding people back, and marching towards the future of science and progress,” says the historian Steven Merritt Miner, author of Stalin's Holy War: Religion, Nationalism, and Alliance Politics. “Like most of what Stalin did, he accelerated the violence of the Leninist period.”...