Fact-opinion differentiation

Confused Christian Zionism

Do you Zionist Christians believe it's part of being a good christian to SACRIFICE OUR BLOOD AND TREASURE to make sure Jews have an ethnostate, when they won't even help us in the PR dept (what they're good at) with securing our border.

all they do is call everyone racists 24/7, when they're MOST RACIST.

will you be stoopid forever?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Doc Dutch,



Extraordinary, isn't it? Perhaps the best way to save America would be to create a massive fund to pay people on a large scale to watch other programming instead of Fox.

I bet if Fox viewers watched PBS Newshour they would change their views.
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Or require people to pass a Citizenship exam in order to vote. :)
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Doc Dutch,

Interesting idea.

Wouldn't that require an Amendment?

Which would mean it has to be popular with those who cannot pass the citizenship test....
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Thanks.

Probably. Which means, in this divided do-nothing Congress it would never happen.

Only if they show up to vote. :)
 
Hello Doc Dutch,

Doc Dutch said:
Thanks.

Probably. Which means, in this divided do-nothing Congress it would never happen.

Only if they show up to vote. :)
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Yup. Even if it was a good idea, something Republicans have previously talked about, oh, say, like shutting down the border, if Democrats become for it, then Republicans automatically have to be against it. It's in their DNA, their "Donald Naysayer Attitude."
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The dying West is now so corrupt that so-called facts are often straight up lies from power....just look at the fact checking industry for illustration.
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That communism of Christianity in this Christian Nation where SCOTUS diatribe of "one nation under God with equal justice under law" after an invasion of thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists tautology "serve the Pope or die" Christiananality pedophilia mass murder to uphold human reproduction medical pseudoscience as Mohammed Valhalla pedophilia martyrdom......
 
Doc Dutch said:
I have no doubt that #10 is plagued by demons.
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Christain Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July Bicentennial celebration of Christain Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July "what is 9/11 ?"as thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists communism of Christianity in this Christian Nation where SCOTUS diatribe of "one nation under God with equal justice under law" after an invasion of thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists tautology "serve the Pope or die" Christiananality pedophilia mass murder to uphold human reproduction medical pseudoscience as Mohammed Valhalla pedophilia martyrdom.....while the Fuhrer's Brainwashing Inquisition "no one steal & burns US Constitutions in this country" along with the Fuhrer's Extermination Commission of stolen absentee voting ballots while the US District Court of Nazington stolen National Archives purchased US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists are granted supreme swastika up Uranus kangaroo court master race standing.....
 
saltydancin said:
Christain Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July Bicentennial celebration of Christain Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July "what is 9/11 ?"as thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists communism of Christianity in this Christian Nation where SCOTUS diatribe of "one nation under God with equal justice under law" after an invasion of thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists tautology "serve the Pope or die" Christiananality pedophilia mass murder to uphold human reproduction medical pseudoscience as Mohammed Valhalla pedophilia martyrdom.....while the Fuhrer's Brainwashing Inquisition "no one steal & burns US Constitutions in this country" along with the Fuhrer's Extermination Commission of stolen absentee voting ballots while the US District Court of Nazington stolen National Archives purchased US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists are granted supreme swastika up Uranus kangaroo court master race standing.....
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That's a pretty superficial analysis, SD.
I think that we need to dig deeper into the details to really express what we mean.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
That's a pretty superficial analysis, SD.
I think that we need to dig deeper into the details to really express what we mean.
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No doubt Christian Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July Bicentennial more perfect union with Christian Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July "what is 9/11 ?" Freudian slip of Mohammed Valhalla pedophilia martyrdom of once is an accident where killing a National Archives employee that sold 24 US Constitution Bill of Rights & twice is a coincidence where there are no coincidences in killing of a Fuher's Extermination Commission employee that took testimony to stolen absentee voting ballots & stolen US Constitution Bill of Rights while thrice is just business as usual to the Fuhrer's Brainwashing Inquisition "no one steal & burns US Constitutions in this country" after stealing & burning a photocopy of National Archives receipts Fact Opinion Differentiation .......
 
saltydancin said:
No doubt Christian Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July Bicentennial more perfect union with Christian Nation SCOTUS Fourth Reich July "what is 9/11 ?" Freudian slip of Mohammed Valhalla pedophilia martyrdom of once is an accident where killing a National Archives employee that sold 24 US Constitution Bill of Rights & twice is a coincidence where there are no coincidences in killing of a Fuher's Extermination Commission employee that took testimony to stolen absentee voting ballots & stolen US Constitution Bill of Rights while thrice is just business as usual to the Fuhrer's Brainwashing Inquisition "no one steal & burns US Constitutions in this country" after stealing & burning a photocopy of National Archives receipts Fact Opinion Differentiation .......
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Interesting point.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Interesting point.
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Who'd of guessed Christain Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist "one nation under God with equal justice under law" Fourth Reich July Bicentennial "serve the Pope or die" thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights - old glorys - old testaments - absentee voting ballots arsonists genocide pogrom of Washington, D.C. born USA Federal employees would be precedent for Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist "what is 9/11 ?" Freudian slip Mohammed Valhalla pedophilia martyrdom not so master race not so master plan of Federal Lynching KKK Mengele "Angel of Death" baptize thine eyes by urinations churchstate of hate drug trafficking enforcement national religion......
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The so-called "fact checking" industry is nothing but opinion. Those who are in it are writing opinion pieces, not fact checking so much. Once you realize that, it's easy to see their opinion pieces for what they are.

The problem with the quiz linked in the OP is that the author(s) don't differentiate between subjective and objective facts. Subjective facts really come in two 'flavors.' Ones that aren't fully provable but have a good degree of being correct, and ones that are clearly nonsense or wrong. Objective facts are measurable and observable as true.

Thus, their question in the quiz about the age of the Earth being 5,000 to 10,000 years old where they claim that as a fact--if wrong--isn't really factual, but subjective and therefore more of an opinion than fact. Put another way, it is in a very grey zone between opinion and fact where the person taking the quiz could have great difficulty deciding where to categorize it. Not a good test question, particularly in a test with just 12 questions.

Thus, objective facts are facts. Subjective facts might be facts, but usually are just opinions masquerading as facts.
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They are built to have people of differing views to arrive at a conclusion. They have safeguards. News stations, especially right-wing, have no safeguards for facts and truth. Once you understand that, you can view them more fairly. They ,like Politifact, provide the data they use.
 
Nordberg said:
They are built to have people of differing views to arrive at a conclusion. They have safeguards. News stations, especially right-wing, have no safeguards for facts and truth. Once you understand that, you can view them more fairly. They ,like Politifact, provide the data they use.
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Snopes Rates The Devil's Lies As 'Mostly True'
https://babylonbee.com/news/snopes-rates-the-devils-lies-as-mostly-true#google_vignette

Most "fact checkers" lean to the Left or are on the Left politically as sites / sources. That bias colors their assessments when the story being examined is political.

https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/fact-checking-fact-checkers-a-data-driven-approach/

Ultimately, fact-checking is a much more subjective enterprise than we would like it to be. Truth is real but sometimes difficult to ascertain, particularly when political ideologies and motivated reasoning are involved. To eschew these pitfalls, fact-checkers need to be keenly sensitive to such biases. Otherwise, fact-checkers will be seen as simply another manifestation of "fake news."
https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/11/04/debunkers-debunked-who-fact-checks-fact-checkers-14378

You can see one version as a graphic here. Most fact checkers lean to the Left or are on the Left. That biases their political opinions where the fact check is political.
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/fact-check-bias-chart

Both of the nation’s most prominent fact-checking organizations—FactCheck.org and PolitiFact—tilt to the political left, which makes them representative of the majority of journalists who also lean to port. Both of these groups go far beyond what they say they do, claiming to fact-check subjective things like political rhetoric that are not susceptible to fact-checking.
https://capitalresearch.org/article/dishonest-fact-checkers/

That fact checkers on political matters often have agreeing opinions on something should come as no surprise either.

One only has to look at the fact-checking statistics over this past election year to understand why voters have this view. PolitiFact gave its “Pants on Fire” label, the most severe rank for a lie, to Donald Trump 57 times. Hillary Clinton earned that distinction just seven times.

A Media Research Center analysis in June found that Trump received the “False”/“Mostly False”/ “Pants on Fire” label from PolitiFact’s Truth-O-Meter 77 percent of the time. Clinton received just “False”/“Mostly False” for 26 percent of her statements (Investors Business Daily, June 30, 2016).
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Fact Checking has become something of a growth industry on the Left too:

Invasion of the Fact-Checkers
Who are you going to believe, the Democratic Party’s new official-unofficial, public-private monopoly tech platform censorship brigade, or your misinformed, disinformed eyes?
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/invasion-fact-checkers

Basically, the fact checking industry is nothing more than repackaged op eds that mostly lean or run to the Left. They're the author's opinion and should be taken as such. They are not concrete facts with no bias. If anything, they are somewhere between tainted with bias to utterly and completely biased, just as any other op ed column would be.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The dying West is now so corrupt that so-called facts are often straight up lies from power....just look at the fact checking industry for illustration.
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You seem to believe you are partially good at deveining fact from fiction…


How do you do it?
 
Nordberg said:
They are built to have people of differing views to arrive at a conclusion. They have safeguards. News stations, especially right-wing, have no safeguards for facts and truth. Once you understand that, you can view them more fairly. They ,like Politifact, provide the data they use.
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Inadequate explanation. The right-wing news knows what the truth is but their mission is to spread lies that help the super-rich, corporations, and Trump. Fox already lost 870 million for telling deliberate lies. The talking heads on their station admitted that was what they were doing. They have returned to their evil ways.
 
Jarod said:
You seem to believe you are partially good at deveining fact from fiction…


How do you do it?
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So how goes that not so master plan of the not so master race of Christian Nation "serve the Pope or die" SCOTUS Christiananality pedophilia more perfect union with Islam "death to the infidels" where their assassination of JFK to fulfill a man on the moon while proving Mohammed flaming flying chariot pseudoscience for pedophilia martyrdom national religion with human reproduction medical pseudoscience ChristHitler suicidal super ego homicidal human farming as "one nation under God with equal justice under law".....
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Snopes Rates The Devil's Lies As 'Mostly True'
https://babylonbee.com/news/snopes-rates-the-devils-lies-as-mostly-true#google_vignette

Most "fact checkers" lean to the Left or are on the Left politically as sites / sources. That bias colors their assessments when the story being examined is political.

https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/fact-checking-fact-checkers-a-data-driven-approach/

Ultimately, fact-checking is a much more subjective enterprise than we would like it to be. Truth is real but sometimes difficult to ascertain, particularly when political ideologies and motivated reasoning are involved. To eschew these pitfalls, fact-checkers need to be keenly sensitive to such biases. Otherwise, fact-checkers will be seen as simply another manifestation of "fake news."
https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/11/04/debunkers-debunked-who-fact-checks-fact-checkers-14378

You can see one version as a graphic here. Most fact checkers lean to the Left or are on the Left. That biases their political opinions where the fact check is political.
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/fact-check-bias-chart

Both of the nation’s most prominent fact-checking organizations—FactCheck.org and PolitiFact—tilt to the political left, which makes them representative of the majority of journalists who also lean to port. Both of these groups go far beyond what they say they do, claiming to fact-check subjective things like political rhetoric that are not susceptible to fact-checking.
https://capitalresearch.org/article/dishonest-fact-checkers/

That fact checkers on political matters often have agreeing opinions on something should come as no surprise either.

One only has to look at the fact-checking statistics over this past election year to understand why voters have this view. PolitiFact gave its “Pants on Fire” label, the most severe rank for a lie, to Donald Trump 57 times. Hillary Clinton earned that distinction just seven times.

A Media Research Center analysis in June found that Trump received the “False”/“Mostly False”/ “Pants on Fire” label from PolitiFact’s Truth-O-Meter 77 percent of the time. Clinton received just “False”/“Mostly False” for 26 percent of her statements (Investors Business Daily, June 30, 2016).
ibid

Fact Checking has become something of a growth industry on the Left too:

Invasion of the Fact-Checkers
Who are you going to believe, the Democratic Party’s new official-unofficial, public-private monopoly tech platform censorship brigade, or your misinformed, disinformed eyes?
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/invasion-fact-checkers

Basically, the fact checking industry is nothing more than repackaged op eds that mostly lean or run to the Left. They're the author's opinion and should be taken as such. They are not concrete facts with no bias. If anything, they are somewhere between tainted with bias to utterly and completely biased, just as any other op ed column would be.
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Translation: Anyone who doesn’t believe Trump is the bestest President evah is a Lefty!

Alternative facts is a MAGAt strategy.
 
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