For you folks who support profiling, the IRS was right to scrutinize Tea Party!

Bfgrn said:

A liberal group on Wednesday said it had faced the same level of scrutiny from the IRS that was applied to tea party groups.
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lol....same level?....here are some of the questions that were asked of the Tea Party applicant that weren't asked of Progress Texas....

21c: Provide a list of all candidates you have endorsed (even though the application stated they have not and would not endorse candidates).
26: Provide details of your relationship with Justin Bink Thomas.
33: Provide copies of the agenda for each of your monthly meetings.
35c: Do you directly or indirectly communicate with members of legislative bodies? If so explain the amount and nature of that communication.

Most importantly, there was one document available for Progress Texas that wasn't available for the Tea Party group.....that would be the letter confirming tax exempt status just three months later.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???....because they are non profit groups?......
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SO, the IRS should not scrutinize any group that applies for tax exempt status. Even though Social welfare nonprofits are not required to apply to the IRS to operate. Many politically active new conservative groups apply anyway. Getting IRS approval can help with donations and help insulate groups from further scrutiny. Many politically active new liberal nonprofits have not applied.

Gee, I wonder WHY liberal groups DIDN'T apply?

In 2012, nonprofits that didn’t have to report their donors poured an unprecedented $322 million into the election. Much of that money — 84 percent — came from conservative groups.

There is one thing that is consistent with conservatives. They LOVE to make laws and rules for other people, just as long as they don't have to follow them. Conservatism is devoid of ethics, honesty or any shred of morality.
 
Bfgrn said:
SO, the IRS should not scrutinize any group that applies for tax exempt status. Even though Social welfare nonprofits are not required to apply to the IRS to operate. Many politically active new conservative groups apply anyway. Getting IRS approval can help with donations and help insulate groups from further scrutiny. Many politically active new liberal nonprofits have not applied.

Gee, I wonder WHY liberal groups DIDN'T apply?

In 2012, nonprofits that didn’t have to report their donors poured an unprecedented $322 million into the election. Much of that money — 84 percent — came from conservative groups.

There is one thing that is consistent with conservatives. They LOVE to make laws and rules for other people, just as long as they don't have to follow them. Conservatism is devoid of ethics, honesty or any shred of morality.
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Who says liberal groups did not apply?

They cirtainly were not subjected to politically motivated scrutiny , nor were their details released to spurious groups with the intent to intimidate them or murder or worse their kids.
 
007 said:
Who says liberal groups did not apply?

They cirtainly were not subjected to politically motivated scrutiny , nor were their details released to spurious groups with the intent to intimidate them or murder or worse their kids.
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You know, if you keep making that revolting, mentally diseased accusation about liberals (murder people's kids), it will force me to do something I never do; put you on ignore. I have been around for over 6 decades and have witnesses a lot in my life. I know for a fact that conservatism is devoid of ethics, honesty or any shred of morality. But I would never accuse anyone of wanting to murder someone's kids.
 
Bfgrn said:
You know, if you keep making that revolting, mentally diseased accusation about liberals (murder people's kids), it will force me to do something I never do; put you on ignore. I have been around for over 6 decades and have witnesses a lot in my life. I know for a fact that conservatism is devoid of ethics, honesty or any shred of morality. But I would never accuse anyone of wanting to murder someone's kids.
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Libersls are devoid of ethics, decency and morality.
They all support the politicsl murder of kids, and worse.
As long as it is done for political reasons.
Look at sandy hook, you are all celebrating, all those dead white kids of conservative parents.

I've seen your reactions on liberal only websites.
Adam Lanza is a liberal hero.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lol.....sure, lets pretend that's what this is about....because what it's really about is too painful for dumbass liberals to think about....
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You tried to use obfuscation earlier, saying that when Republicans had the IRS scrutinize non profits it wasn't new applications. But that is WHEN they should be scrutinized. When they first apply. What Republicans did was try to use the IRS as an executioner on groups that had already qualified for tax exempt status.

Just like any 'scandal', when it happens while Republicans are in power, it is just overreaction by liberals or the 'lamestream media'. I mean 7 embassy attacks and 40 people killed under Bush is just 'shit happens' right?

And you want to talk about pretending?
 
maineman said:
But Bush didn't blame a movie, which, somehow, makes those forty corpses less dead. Go figure.
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And Obama had the nerve to not come out and elevate some band of thugs to the status of al Qaeda. The only one's outraged are conservatives and Ansar al-Sharia.
 
Threedee said:
It is hilarious we're back at Lanza given the recent bombing was Muslims, and the IRS building was a leftist.

That said, 007 needs serious help...
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Bfgrn said:
You know, if you keep making that revolting, mentally diseased accusation about liberals (murder people's kids), it will force me to do something I never do; put you on ignore. I have been around for over 6 decades and have witnesses a lot in my life. I know for a fact that conservatism is devoid of ethics, honesty or any shred of morality. But I would never accuse anyone of wanting to murder someone's kids.
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Pls refer to my sig. The more ppl that demand Paulie be banned the better. IA isn't the answer.
 
Something to ponder:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/14/irs-tea-party-progressive-groups/2158831/

IRS approved liberal groups while Tea Party in limbo

Tax-exempt groups and the IRS

The controversy over the Internal Revenue Service's targeting conservative groups for additional scrutiny has focused new attention on tax-exempt organizations.

By Frank Pompa, Fredreka Schouten, Tory Hargro, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON -- In February 2010, the Champaign Tea Party in Illinois received approval of its tax-exempt status from the IRS in 90 days, no questions asked.

That was the month before the Internal Revenue Service started singling out Tea Party groups for special treatment. There wouldn't be another Tea Party application approved for 27 months.

In that time, the IRS approved perhaps dozens of applications from similar liberal and progressive groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.

As applications from conservative groups sat in limbo, groups with liberal-sounding names had their applications approved in as little as nine months. With names including words like "Progress" or "Progressive," the liberal groups applied for the same tax status and were engaged in the same kinds of activities as the conservative groups. They included:

• Bus for Progress, a New Jersey non-profit that uses a red, white and blue bus to "drive the progressive change." According to its website, its mission includes "support (for) progressive politicians with the courage to serve the people's interests and make tough choices." It got an IRS approval as a social welfare group in April 2011.

• Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment says it fights against corporate welfare and for increasing the minimum wage. "It would be fair to say we're on the progressive end of the spectrum," said executive director Jeff Ordower. He said the group got tax-exempt status in September 2011 in just nine months after "a pretty simple, straightforward process."

• Progress Florida, granted tax-exempt status in January 2011, is lobbying the Florida Legislature to expand Medicaid under a provision of the Affordable Care Act, one of President Obama's signature accomplishments. The group did not return phone calls. "We're busy fighting to build a more progressive Florida and cannot take your call right now," the group's voice mail said.

Like the Tea Party groups, the liberal groups sought recognition as social welfare groups under Section 501(c)(4) of the tax code, based on activities like "citizen participation" or "voter education and registration."

In a conference call with reporters last week, the IRS official responsible for granting tax-exempt status said that it was a mistake to subject Tea Party groups to additional scrutiny based solely on the organization's name. But she said ideology played no part in the process.Are intelligent folk supposed to understand this? If not, doesn't that assume the representative of IRS is speaking nonsense? So is she or he ignorant or carrying water?

"The selection of these cases where they used the names was not a partisan selection," said Lois Lerner, director of exempt organizations. She said progressive groups were also selected for greater scrutiny based on their names, but did not provide details. "I don't have them off the top of my head," she said.

The IRS did not respond to follow-up questions Tuesday. Has anyone heard any credible source claiming there was equal treatment as in "progressive" "justice" being keywords for scrutiny?

Congressional critics say the IRS's actions suggest a political motives: "This administration seems to have a culture of politics above all else," said Rep. Bill Flores, R-Texas. "A lot of the actions they take have a political side first, and put government second."

Flores complained to the IRS last year after the Waco Tea Party's tax-exempt application was mired in red tape. The IRS asked the group for information that was "overreaching and impossible to comply with," Flores said: Transcripts of radio interviews, copies of social media posts and details on "close relationships" with political candidates.

When Flores complained last year -- asking pointed questions about the IRS treatment of Tea Party groups -- the IRS response didn't acknowledge that it had treated conservative groups differently. "They did more than sidestep the issue," he said. "They flipped me the finger."

Before the IRS started separating out Tea Party applications, getting tax-exempt status was routine -- even for conservative groups. The Champaign Tea Party's treasurer, Karen Olsen, said the process was smooth, with no follow-up questions from the IRS.

Olsen, a retired IRS revenue agent, defended the agency.

"If you suddenly see a great increase in some kind of activity, and you don't understand why, then it might be reasonable to look more closely at what's happening with those applications," she said. "I'm not certain that there was an error on the part of the IRS at all. I know that's not a popular opinion."

Some liberal groups did get additional scrutiny, although they still got their tax-exempt status while the Tea Party moratorium was in effect. For the "independent progressive" group Action for a Progressive Future, which runs the Rootsaction.org web site, the tax-exempt process took 18 months and also involved intrusive questions.

Co-founder Jeff Cohen said tax-exempt status is a privilege, so he didn't mind answering the intrusive questions, as long as those questions were consistent and fair.

"From my perspective, if the IRS can hold up legitimate Tea Party applications today and get away with it, then who knows if progressive groups will be held up and specially scrutinized in a few years. It's utterly unacceptable, if that's what happened," he said. Notice there is no narrative of the questions asked of this one group. If one were cynical, one might conclude it was there for show.
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Bfgrn said:
You tried to use obfuscation earlier, saying that when Republicans had the IRS scrutinize non profits it wasn't new applications. But that is WHEN they should be scrutinized. When they first apply. What Republicans did was try to use the IRS as an executioner on groups that had already qualified for tax exempt status.

Just like any 'scandal', when it happens while Republicans are in power, it is just overreaction by liberals or the 'lamestream media'. I mean 7 embassy attacks and 40 people killed under Bush is just 'shit happens' right?

And you want to talk about pretending?
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How about pretending deliberately released the names, adresses, children's names and schools children attended to a fringe group he was associated with, oh yes that didnt happen because bush has moral values.
Obama did it though.
And given his racist and terrorist associates we can come to only one conclusion as to why!!

More dead white babies!!
Obamas joy!!
 
Bfgrn said:
You tried to use obfuscation earlier, saying that when Republicans had the IRS scrutinize non profits it wasn't new applications.
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????.....that's because the cases you raised to prove your point WEREN'T new applications....

But that is WHEN they should be scrutinized. When they first apply.
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obviously....

What Republicans did was try to use the IRS as an executioner on groups that had already qualified for tax exempt status.
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obviously the IRS must also police the system to look for those who break the rules.....for example, not only do they process tax returns, they also audit them....

Just like any 'scandal', when it happens while Republicans are in power, it is just overreaction by liberals or the 'lamestream media'. I mean 7 embassy attacks and 40 people killed under Bush is just 'shit happens' right?

And you want to talk about pretending?
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actually, since you have yet to show evidence, you are pretending it happens when Republicans are in power....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
????.....that's because the cases you raised to prove your point WEREN'T new applications....


obviously....


obviously the IRS must also police the system to look for those who break the rules.....for example, not only do they process tax returns, they also audit them....



actually, since you have yet to show evidence, you are pretending it happens when Republicans are in power....
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Did you miss my posts with ample evidence? Selective ignorance? Or just typical right wing scum bag dishonesty? For you folks on the right, liberals are held to a high moral and ethics standard. But for Republicans and conservatives, professional wrestling rules apply. When the referee turns his back, the liberal gets whacked with a chair. When the ref looks back, you right wing scum feign innocence. Conservatism is devoid of ethics, honesty or any shred of morality. You folks prove it every single day.
 
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