"God is dead"

evince said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Jesus


However Nietzsche did not demur of Jesus, saying he was the "only one true Christian". He presented a Christ whose own inner life consisted of "blessedness in peace, in gentleness, in the inability for enmity". There is much criticism by Nietzsche of the organized institution of Christianity and its class of priests. Christ's evangelism consisted of the good news that the kingdom of God is within you.[36] "What are the 'glad tidings'? True life, eternal life is found—it is not promised, it is here, it is within you: as life lived in love.... 'Sin', every kind of distancing relationship between God and man, is abolished - precisely this is the 'glad tidings'. The 'glad tidings' are precisely that there are no more opposites...."
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Thank you for participating on my thread
 
Cypress said:
Thank you for participating on my thread
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You are welcome

It’s subject matter I’m interested in but have researched only rudimentarily in my life

Mostly as a teen on my own

I didn’t take any philosophy classes in college

The closest thing was a world religions class


Interesting subject


It’s one of those subject that the people discussing it often turn into a battle of “ oh but I’m far better read than you”. Nonsense


Which is antithetical to the whole idea of understanding man kind and the world


I’ll keep following your threads and posts on the subject and learn more



Please don’t mistake it for me stalking you
 
evince said:
You are welcome

It’s subject matter I’m interested in but have researched only rudimentarily in my life

Mostly as a teen on my own

I didn’t take any philosophy classes in college

The closest thing was a world religions class


Interesting subject


It’s one of those subject that the people discussing it often turn into a battle of “ oh but I’m far better read than you”. Nonsense


Which is antithetical to the whole idea of understanding man kind and the world


I’ll keep following your threads and posts on the subject and learn more



Please don’t mistake it for me stalking you
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Ha! Don't worry, you do not even remotely seem like the staking type.

I remember that you are one of the few posters who actually ever read Solzhenitsyn, so I recognize a deep well of intellectual curiosity in you.

Nietzsche's rejection of any higher reality or spiritual truth must have been pretty shocking at the time, but I am beginning to see why many have found Nietzsche worth considering - there is a lot to be said for the premise of making one's life a creative work of art, rather than investing energy in a socially/religiously constructed and conformist approach which dominated the 19th century.
 
Cypress said:
“God Is Dead”—Nietzsche and Christianity

Friedrich Nietzsche famously announced that “God is Dead.” This is by no means merely a thesis about religion and religious belief. It relates to the whole mind-set of the West, the insistence on Eternity, the obsession with unity and coherence, the demands for predictability and justice in a world that is neither predictable or just. Nietzsche argues it is possible, is to rid ourselves of the pathologies of guilt and sin.

1. Nietzsche disliked some things about Christianity, particularly what Kierkegaard calls “Christendom,” the Christian mob.
2. Nietzsche admired those exceptional Christians (including Jesus) who really lived what they claimed to believe in.
3. He objected to the hypocritical and self-righteous attitudes that some Christians take toward their religious beliefs.

Nietzsche rejected Christianity, but he also accepted it as a necessary step in human evolution. It served an important historical function:
1. Nietzsche praised the spirituality of Christianity.
2. He saw the original teaching of Jesus as having been perverted by the Church.

Nietzsche declared war on the concepts of guilt and sin. Like Freud, he finds guilt and sin psychologically debilitating.

Nietzsche did retain the notion of conscience:
1. Nietzsche did not give up spirituality but transformed it.
2. Nietzsche wants to return us to a state of innocence, as opposed to guilt.
3. He wants to return us to self-esteem, after science has shown us that we are not the center of the universe or the pinnacle of nature.
4. Nietzsche calls for a spirituality of this world.



Source credit: Professor Robert C. Solomon, University of Texas at Austin
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Nietzsche was a wise man although I only agree with the bolded parts. The two unbolded lack some caveats and amplifications.

I don't see where any of the numbered items say or imply "God is Dead". He obviously has issues with religious dogma, but that's not the same thing.
 
Cypress said:
Ha! Don't worry, you do not even remotely seem like the staking type.

I remember that you are one of the few posters who actually ever read Solzhenitsyn, so I recognize a deep well of intellectual curiosity in you.

Nietzsche's rejection of any higher reality or spiritual truth must have been pretty shocking at the time, but I am beginning to see why many have found Nietzsche worth considering - there is a lot to be said for the premise of making one's life a creative work of art, rather than investing energy in a socially/religiously constructed and conformist approach which dominated the 19th century.
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He was one philosopher I read a little about


It’s been decades so I don’t remember much except that I liked some of his thoughts and was glad that others had felt about society in a similar manner as I was feeling at the time in the early 70s

I’m going to have to relearn what little I knew then about the greats
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Nietzsche was a wise man although I only agree with the bolded parts. The two unbolded lack some caveats and amplifications.

I don't see where any of the numbered items say or imply "God is Dead". He obviously has issues with religious dogma, but that's not the same thing.
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God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

— Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Section 125
 
goat said:
European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato.

True or false?
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:laugh: False. It's a logic error since it's like saying nuclear power is a footnote to the invention of fire. Obviously both are important subjects that are intertwined. Let's not forget that the barbarians and Russians <redundancy noted> had an important place at the table of "European philosophy"...or do you mean only England, France and Germany are at your table?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Nietzsche was a wise man although I only agree with the bolded parts. The two unbolded lack some caveats and amplifications.

I don't see where any of the numbered items say or imply "God is Dead". He obviously has issues with religious dogma, but that's not the same thing.
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Not one that I remember got all ATA boys from me


It’s just one of the many things that make the human mind so fascinating
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Nietzsche was a wise man although I only agree with the bolded parts. The two unbolded lack some caveats and amplifications.

I don't see where any of the numbered items say or imply "God is Dead". He obviously has issues with religious dogma, but that's not the same thing.
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According to Professor Solomon and others, "God is dead" was Nietzsche's collective indictment of western civilization at large as it stood in the 19th century - it's religion, it's philosophy, it's debilitating obsession with conformity, guilt, sin, eternal salvation --- which, according to Nietzsche, prevented us from living authentic, creative lives.

That is my take on it, but I plan to learn more about Nietzsche.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
:laugh: False. It's a logic error since it's like saying nuclear power is a footnote to the invention of fire. Obviously both are important subjects that are intertwined. Let's not forget that the barbarians and Russians <redundancy noted> had an important place at the table of "European philosophy"...or do you mean only England, France and Germany are at your table?
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We agree, Dutch. Plato did go mad in his later writings.
 
BidenPresident said:
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

— Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Section 125
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Awesome. Thanks. I was referencing the OP, but your input is sincerely appreciated.

IMO, do you think he's equating the Catholic Church with "God"? I'm not so sure myself. OTOH, it could be like the Buddhist "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him" philosophy. I lean towards the latter. You?

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1785326
In the ninth century, the Buddhist sage Lin Chi told a monk, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." He meant that those who think they've found all the answers in any religion need to start questioning
 
Cypress said:
According to Professor Solomon and others, "God is dead" was Nietzsche's collective indictment of western civilization at large as it stood in the 19th century - it's religion, it's philosophy, it's debilitating obsession with conformity, guilt, sin, eternal salvation --- which, according to Nietzsche, prevented us us from living authentic, creative lives.

That is my take on it, but I plan to learn more about Nietzsche.
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The trappings of a religion that had become more about controlling the citizenry than delivering thought and salve for the soul
 
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