It Begins: Journalists start admitting Trump-Russia conspiracy was a fabricated lie

Let's start with the fact that Trump went on national television and asked for assistance from Russian state security services to spy on and undermine an American presidential candidate of the Democratic party.

How is it possible that Trump boot lickers forgot that Trump actually asked for the assistance of Russian intelligence services to help win an American election?
 
Because it makes no sense to you doesn't mean it isn't likely or is less plausible than the other likely reasons. All it means is you have reached your conclusion and are willing to discard any other likely possibilities because they don't support your conclusion.

Not all reasons are equally likely.

The most plausible conclusion is Carter Page committed no crime. Granted, it’s a provisional conclusion since Mullet hasn’t wrapped up but the safe money is in on Page being innocent.

Anyone who bets otherwise should stay away from the dog track lol. And I think we both know this.
 
Let's start with the fact that Trump went on national television and asked for assistance from Russian state security services to spy on and undermine an American presidential candidate of the Democratic party.

How is it possible that Trump boot lickers forgot that Trump actually asked for the assistance of Russian intelligence services to help win an American election?

I didn’t forget it.

I just recognize snark and sarcasm when I see it.
 
wrong again.
"something of value" has to be "IN KIND" that is of a monentary value.

That means the transaction itself has to be something in kind -and in this case ( Trump Tower)
there was no paid for opposition research anyways.

you are becoming a trollish pest.

I am a trollish pest? Why? Because I point out your errors that you refuse to see?


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30101
definition in the law -

(A) The term “contribution” includes—
(i) any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office; or
(ii) the payment by any person of compensation for the personal services of another person which are rendered to a political committee without charge for any purpose.


The law restricting donations by Foreigners

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
...
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

The law doesn't require that anything be received for it to be violated.
Opposition research has monetary value. Money is paid for it all the time.

Is it possible to get a conviction based on what we know about the Trump Tower meeting? I'd say it's not really likely without some other evidence.

But my opinion on lack of conviction has more to do with an argument that the meeting wasn't a knowing solicitation of a foreigner than that opposition research has no value. Intent is hard to prove without some admission. Trump Jr may have intended to solicit this information from Russians at the meeting but I don't think you can convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
There’s two problems with your thinking here.

The obvious one is assigning value to information. Apparently, there’s no slippery legal slope the left won’t traverse in order to ‘stop Trump’. Say a foreign national is hired by a campaign and the foreign worker offers helpful ‘information’ to the candidate? Are they now going to be required by law to report it—even if the foreign worker mentions something in passing that the candidate picks up on and finds useful.
Once you have hired someone you are paying them for their expertise and any information they have is part of that expertise. There can be no illegal campaign contribution for information they possess since you are paying them. The real question is was it legal to hire the foreign national to work directly for your campaign? Some can. Some can't.

Does the metaphor ‘opening a can of worms’ mean anything to you?
Of course it does. Information has a value based on what the information is. That is nothing new under the law. The law has long been called on to rule on the value of information.

The second is the First Amendment: verbally transmitting information is a form of speech—it IS speech lol. Foreign nationals—especially, when they are on our soil, should be allowed to speak freely on any subject; and you or I should be able to listen to what they are saying without fear of legal ramifications—even if they are talking about dirt on Hillary.
Speaking of slippery slopes... If verbally transmitting information is speech and all such speech is legal, how can there be any laws against transferring classified information to a foreign national? After all, it's just speech.

Clearly, information is not just speech. Rather it has to be judged based on it's value. Value is often determined by how widely disseminated that information is. Classified information and stolen information has a value that is not protected by the First Amendment.

Good luck getting your legal theory past SCOTUS.
It is hardly my theory. It is the theory put forward by the courts. Good luck with your argument that all information is protected speech. I doubt you will get that one past SCOTUS.
 
It was English. Silly me for not putting it in simple phrases my audience could understand.
A good part of the FISA application was redacted and blacked out so it could not be read by the public.
Of the parts that were not redacted the sealed complaint against Buryakov and Sporyshev is mentioned.
The 3 pages prior to that section were redacted.
Page testified to Congress he agreed to provide support to the FBI against the Russians in 2015 in the case against Buryakov and Sporyshev.
Being an undercover agent for the FBI against a foreign government is classified information.
Classified information is redacted in documents released to the public.
The most likely conclusion is that in the 3 redacted pages the FBI revealed classified information to the court about how Page worked for the FBI.
your AUDIENCE??
dude this is some obscure message board while the world tweets away. there is no "audience" for your grand delusions

Now you are getting closer to what the Wood's procedure requires. It requires they "swear to the accuracy" of the FISA application. They don't "swear" to have verified every allegation in the applications. For instance, if they reference a newspaper article they are "swearing" that the article was in a newspaper. They are not "swearing" that they verified the story by interviewing the journalist and his sources.
they can just throw in newspaper articles and simply say it's a newspaper article.
There has to be some verification of that article - something to support the assertion

The Wood's procedure states that the information contained in a FISA application is often well outside the knowledge of a headquarters supervisor so that supervisor relies on the accuracy of the field office. The Wood's procedure is in place to ensure provide accuracy in 3 areas. The Wood's procedure concludes that the Headquarters supervisor is confirming that anything he doesn't know personally went through the Wood's procedure to ensure accuracy. Nowhere does it require that any supervisor verify any or every fact in a FISA application.
I would tell you to read the Wood's procedure for yourself but it is written in English which you seem to have a problem with. Let me know if you need me to explain it using simpler words.
gawd you are such a sanctimonious pain in the ass!
Why are you referencing field offices? this was all done at headquarters.
I'm not going to go over this if you just keep pulling in stuff


Your argument is still asinine and will always be asinine. (Oops. Asinine" means silly for us adults.) The FBI stated that they have used Steele in the past. They stated that his information has proved reliable in the past. They stated that the document he provided was created for a political campaign. Those facts were all accurate as required by the Wood's procedure.
they fired Steele. that brings his entire history into question.
The steele dossier has salacious crap in there like the pee tapes -why should we believe Steele who got fired and brought in "salacious and unverified" crap like that?
Whch means that simply because they used Steele in the past,doesn't just give him a pas with this bunch of garbage

The standard of verification you are requiring is nonsense and would mean no warrant could ever be issued. Let me give you another example. Let's say a citizen says they saw a black car drive by their house at 12:30AM. Can you tell me how the FBI would verify that it really happened before they could include it in a FISA application?
enough of your examples - i know "probable cause" standards for warrants.

what we have is Steele acting in a questionable manner, with questionable claims that go to farcical levels
as the backbone of the dossier, backed up with conspiracy crap by the FBI whereby incidental contact by Page with Russian officials gets hysterically labeled as "Russian contacts", and circular sourcing by Yahoo claimed as a separate source.
The proof of this silliness is that Page was never even charged,and was just a few months earlier worked FOR the FBIi!

If you wern't such a rank partisan ( by your own descriptions) you would be screaming at this grotesque construction by FBI/DOJ

Now go post some of your own ideas for a change and quit acting like the boards authoritarian looking for an "audience"
 
I am a trollish pest? Why? Because I point out your errors that you refuse to see?


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30101
definition in the law -

(A) The term “contribution” includes—
(i) any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office; or
(ii) the payment by any person of compensation for the personal services of another person which are rendered to a political committee without charge for any purpose.


The law restricting donations by Foreigners

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
...
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

The law doesn't require that anything be received for it to be violated.
Opposition research has monetary value. Money is paid for it all the time.

Is it possible to get a conviction based on what we know about the Trump Tower meeting? I'd say it's not really likely without some other evidence.

But my opinion on lack of conviction has more to do with an argument that the meeting wasn't a knowing solicitation of a foreigner than that opposition research has no value. Intent is hard to prove without some admission. Trump Jr may have intended to solicit this information from Russians at the meeting but I don't think you can convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

Opposition research is *research*.

Paying a party to *do* opposition research is a different thing than *hearing* what someone has to say. In fact, Trump was doing his own opposition research in the Trump Tower meeting.

Perfectly legal.
 
Not all reasons are equally likely.

The most plausible conclusion is Carter Page committed no crime. Granted, it’s a provisional conclusion since Mullet hasn’t wrapped up but the safe money is in on Page being innocent.

Anyone who bets otherwise should stay away from the dog track lol. And I think we both know this.

Because it is a provisional conclusion it means it isn't the most plausible. It is simple one of several equally plausible conclusions.
 
Once you have hired someone you are paying them for their expertise and any information they have is part of that expertise. There can be no illegal campaign contribution for information they possess since you are paying them. The real question is was it legal to hire the foreign national to work directly for your campaign? Some can. Some can't.

Of course it does. Information has a value based on what the information is. That is nothing new under the law. The law has long been called on to rule on the value of information.

Speaking of slippery slopes... If verbally transmitting information is speech and all such speech is legal, how can there be any laws against transferring classified information to a foreign national? After all, it's just speech.

Clearly, information is not just speech. Rather it has to be judged based on it's value. Value is often determined by how widely disseminated that information is. Classified information and stolen information has a value that is not protected by the First Amendment.

It is hardly my theory. It is the theory put forward by the courts. Good luck with your argument that all information is protected speech. I doubt you will get that one past SCOTUS.

Ok lol.

What value do you put on the information Trump didn’t receive from the Russian lawyer?
 
Also, classified information is a different category of information. You can’t yell fire in a theater and be protected by the First Amendment: Free speech isn’t an absolute right.

A Russian lawyer simply speaking about Hillary’s corrupt dealings with the Russians is simply—speech. Are you suggesting Junior had no right to hear it?

What country are we living in?
 
I am a trollish pest? Why? Because I point out your errors that you refuse to see?


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30101
definition in the law -

(A) The term “contribution” includes—
(i) any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office; or
(ii) the payment by any person of compensation for the personal services of another person which are rendered to a political committee without charge for any purpose.


The law restricting donations by Foreigners

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
...
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

The law doesn't require that anything be received for it to be violated.
Opposition research has monetary value. Money is paid for it all the time.

Is it possible to get a conviction based on what we know about the Trump Tower meeting? I'd say it's not really likely without some other evidence.

But my opinion on lack of conviction has more to do with an argument that the meeting wasn't a knowing solicitation of a foreigner than that opposition research has no value. Intent is hard to prove without some admission. Trump Jr may have intended to solicit this information from Russians at the meeting but I don't think you can convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.
you are a trollish pest because you simply come around and criticize posts without making any statements of your own.

anyone can pick part another post - when I see you making some declarative positions on your own I'll take you seriously- until then you are a pest.

There was nothing given to Trump Jr. no opposition research, no quid pro quo for a corrupt conspiracy.

further "in kind" means goods or services - opposition research is only "in kind" if it was paid for -this was not.

go post some thing affirmative on your own, and quit acting like like the boards sheriff
 
your AUDIENCE??
dude this is some obscure message board while the world tweets away. there is no "audience" for your grand delusions
Are the children getting restless?

they can just throw in newspaper articles and simply say it's a newspaper article.
There has to be some verification of that article - something to support the assertion
They have to reference why the article is a piece of evidence but they don't have to verify the journalist's sources before they include it.

gawd you are such a sanctimonious pain in the ass!
Why are you referencing field offices? this was all done at headquarters.
I'm not going to go over this if you just keep pulling in stuff
Clearly you don't know the first thing, or the second thing, or even the third thing about what is required in a Wood's procedure.
Do you know where the Southern District of NY is? It isn't in DC. The FISA application would have been sent to SDNY if the Wood's procedure was remotely followed and it likely was since there is no evidence it wasn't.

they fired Steele. that brings his entire history into question.
No, it doesn't question his veracity in what he reported to the FBI when he was fired for speaking to reporters. That isn't the way real logic works.

The steele dossier has salacious crap in there like the pee tapes -why should we believe Steele who got fired and brought in "salacious and unverified" crap like that?
Whch means that simply because they used Steele in the past,doesn't just give him a pas with this bunch of garbage
No one is denying that there is salacious crap in there but unless Carter Page was the one peeing on Trump, that part of the dossier has nothing to do with a FISA application for Page.

enough of your examples - i know "probable cause" standards for warrants.
Then why are you ignoring them completely in the case of this FISA warrant and demanding that all information from every source be personally verified by the director of the FBI? No warrant has that standard.
what we have is Steele acting in a questionable manner, with questionable claims that go to farcical levels
What we have is you ignoring all other evidence presented for the FISA warrant including everything you can't see because it is redacted.
as the backbone of the dossier, backed up with conspiracy crap by the FBI whereby incidental contact by Page with Russian officials gets hysterically labeled as "Russian contacts", and circular sourcing by Yahoo claimed as a separate source.
The proof of this silliness is that Page was never even charged,and was just a few months earlier worked FOR the FBIi!
Now you are simply making fantastic leaps of logic. Page not being charged doesn't prove that Trump wasn't trying to acquire real estate in Russia. In fact we have seen a document signed by Trump that confirms that part of the dossier.
If you wern't such a rank partisan ( by your own descriptions) you would be screaming at this grotesque construction by FBI/DOJ
I see no grotesque construction because I can't see 2/3 of the FISA warrant so I have no way of knowing what else is in the warrant. I am hardly a rank partisan simply because I don't accept your illogical conclusions. It makes me a thinking person. Convince me by making a valid and logical argument. Just because you want to believe something doesn't make it so.

Now go post some of your own ideas for a change and quit acting like the boards authoritarian looking for an "audience"
What makes you think these ideas aren't my own? I took the time to read the Wood's procedure. I understood it because it is written in English that requires a 10th grade education. I have read the FISA warrant application. I am not the one posting links to opinion articles. My links have been to actual sources like the Wood's procedure and the laws.
 
go away dude. I'm not interested in talking to you - get another audience
when you post something affirmative rather then just endless argumentum, i may get back to you
 
The House Intelligence Committee, in its memo focusing on the FBI's application to the secret FISA court to win a warrant to wiretap onetime Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page, included a 16-word passage from an Ohr 302 in which Ohr described Christopher Steele's motivation to stop candidate Trump. (Even though Ohr's interviews with the FBI took place after the election, he apparently described things Steele told him during their contacts in the months before the election, as well as new information.) Here is the relevant portion of the House memo:

Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he "was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president." This clear evidence of Steele's bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files — but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-russia-allegations-to-fbi-after-the-election
 
New Documents Suggest The Steele Dossier Was A Deliberate Setup For Trump
https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/new-documents-suggest-steele-dossier-deliberate-setup-trump/

The revelation that the dossier was used to secure a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page compromised the integrity of the investigation the FBI had opened on Page and three other Trump associates by the end of July 2016. Nonetheless, that same probe continues today as the special counsel investigation.

The dossier plays a central role in Robert Mueller’s probe. In the unredacted portions of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s memo outlining Mueller’s scope are allegations that Trump adviser Paul Manafort colluded with Russian government officials interfering in the 2016 race. That claim is found in no other known document but the dossier. It is unclear whether further dossier allegations are in the redacted portions of the scope memo.

Further, with Mueller in charge, the dossier-won warrant on Page was renewed a third, and final, time in June 2017. It expired in September, when confidential human source Stefan Halper reportedly broke off regular communications with Page.

The Dossier Model Is Being Replicated

Paradoxically, it is the Mueller investigation that has most thoroughly tested the veracity of the dossier’s claims. After the FBI’s monitoring of Page for nearly a year, with access to his electronic communications prior to the warrant, the special counsel has brought no charges against the former Navy officer alleged in the dossier to be at the center of a criminal conspiracy.

Yet the dossier abides. Even as prominent and early collusion theory promoter journalist Michael Isikoff now questions its probity, many still contend that Steele’s reports have not been “disproven.”
After nearly two years since the Steele dossier was published, it remains the cornerstone of the case for collusion. Moreover, the dossier model has given rise to similar operations, joining the press, political operatives, and intelligence officials, not all of them American, targeting Trump policies.

The reported murder of Arab intelligence operative and Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi was used as a platform by Turkish intelligence, the government of Qatar, and U.S. operatives to advance a campaign through the press, with the Post playing a leading role, against the administration’s pro-Saudi policies.

Democratic officials teamed with the media to thwart Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, also using an FBI investigation as a political tool. “We were very concerned when Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee pushed for another FBI investigation of Kavanaugh,” said a congressional investigator on the Republican side familiar with the dossier operation. “We didn’t know who would get it at the bureau and who we can trust over there.”

Cyber-security experts hired by the Senate Intelligence Committee to write a report on how Russian social media accounts helped Trump beat Clinton themselves created fake Russian social media accounts to dirty the GOP Senate candidate in last year’s special Alabama election. As the dossier operation targeted Trump, the bot operation created the impression that Roy Moore was supported by the Kremlin.

Pretext for Two Years of Treason Accusations

The dossier operation has not only damaged institutions like the FBI and DOJ, it has also poisoned the public sphere, perhaps irremediably. As a result, it is now accepted journalistic practice to print, and reprint, any garish fantasy so long as it’s layered with Russian intrigue and Trump team treason. Even as the rest of the country sees an institution that has made itself a laughingstock, the press continues to salute itself for its bravery—or the courage and industry required to take leaks from law enforcement and intelligence officials and Democratic operatives in an effort to topple a president it doesn’t like, elected by neighbors it holds in contempt.

How did it come to this? Former FBI director James Comey ushered in the era of the dossier when he briefed Trump on January 6, 2017 on reports that “the Russians allegedly had tapes involving him and prostitutes at the Presidential Suite at the Ritz Carlton in Moscow from about 2013.”

Last week, the Department of Justice released a heavily redacted version of the two-page memo on the dossier with which Comey briefed the president-elect. The “source’s reporting,” reads the memo, referring to Steele, “appears to have been acquired by multiple Western press organizations starting in October.”

As Comey later recorded in a separate memorandum documenting the meeting, he told Trump that “media like CNN had [the reports] and were looking for a news hook.” The briefing provided one.

According to Comey’s recent testimony, James Clapper ordered the briefing.
The former director of national intelligence is believed to have then tipped off CNN, which later hired him as a commentator.
After the award-winning CNN story posted, BuzzFeed published the document, passed to the news organization by Republican aide David Kramer.

The Frame Game Is Bipartisan

In his testimony, Comey again pushed the fiction that Republicans opposed to Trump first paid for the dossier. Congressional Republicans are right that Comey is trying to muddy the waters—the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee funded Steele’s work.
None of it would have been possible had the media not linked arms with spies, cops, and lawyers to relay a story first spun by Clinton operatives.

But credit Comey for underscoring, and maybe not accidentally, a larger truth—the operation that sought to defraud the American voter had bipartisan support all along.
Court documents released in December show that Steele gave his final report to Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger and House Speaker Paul Ryan’s chief of staff, Jonathan Burks.

How is it possible that so many people knew and said nothing? Everyone knows it’s impossible to sustain a real conspiracy that size. People in the know talk and the press makes it public. But they did talk—all the time.
But the conversations, implicit confessions, of FBI agents and other U.S. officials were hidden by colleagues who classified their talk, or deleted it, like FBI employees Peter Strzok and Lisa Page’s text messages.

The press didn’t report it because the press is part of the operation, the indispensable part.
None of it would have been possible, and it certainly wouldn’t have lasted for two years, had the media not linked arms with spies, cops, and lawyers to relay a story first spun by Clinton operatives.

Starting with a relatively small group consisting of Steele, Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson, and senior FBI, DOJ, CIA, and State Department officials, the dossier operation gained momentum and adherents, senior officials across the political spectrum, a large part of the press corps, then the many millions of Americans it wound into a frenzied madness. Thus, much of the dossier operation was improvised.

But the core component appears to be the result of a carefully constructed plan requiring technical and legal know-how. Interviews with current and former U.S. officials provide fresh insight into how Clinton-funded operatives and senior law enforcement figures orchestrated a media campaign and weaponized the dossier to obtain the October 21, 2016 warrant on Page.

Fishing for a FISA Warrant

The claim from the recently released two-page Comey memo that Steele’s “reporting appears to have been acquired by multiple Western press organizations starting in October” is inaccurate.
The allegations that were eventually rolled into the Steele dossier first started appearing in the press six months previously. Understanding how the company that produced the dossier operates may clarify matters.

Fusion GPS started briefing the press on dossiers of Trump-Russia material long before BuzzFeed made the aggregate document public.

Fusion GPS calls the two- to three-page handouts that it distributes to its media customers dossiers.
The so-called Steele dossier is a collection of 17 Fusion GPS dossiers apparently written over the period of several months in 2016 and published by BuzzFeed in January 2017.

Fusion GPS started briefing the press on dossiers of Trump-Russia material long before BuzzFeed made the aggregate document public.
An echo chamber of Trump-Russia stories (New York Magazine, Slate, and two in Politico) that appeared in April shows Fusion GPS was coordinating with the media shortly after it was hired by the Clinton campaign in March.

There is also confusion concerning the dossier’s sources. The Comey memo contends that Steele “collects information from a layered network of identified and unidentified subsources.”
Presumably some genuine human sources fed the reporting.
The dossier, however, was produced not by an intelligence bureaucracy, but by an opposition research firm whose “research,” according to Simpson’s Senate testimony, “is very document focused.”

The handouts Fusion GPS distributes to journalists are typically sourced to news articles, with footnotes and links, often from foreign or lesser-known media outlets.
As another Fusion GPS contractor working on the Trump-Russia project explained, the job was to “produce memos based on information that is in the public record that can be given to the feds or shared with journalists.”

The Making of a Memo

Many of the dossier’s sources are taken from media reports or other documents, without the customary footnotes and links. For instance, it appears that the most notorious Steele memo recycled earlier Trump-Russia reports.

Around the same time Fusion GPS was hired, longtime Clinton foot-soldier Cody Shearer was also probing for ties between Trump and Russia.
He, too, was speaking to media figures, like former CIA official Robert Baer.
Shearer wrote two reports (“Donald Trump—Background Notes—The Compromised Candidate,” and “FSB Interview”), which are likely sources for the dossier report on which Comey briefed Trump.

Both Shearer memos detail Trump’s alleged sexual proclivities. One claims there is film of a woman urinating on him. The other Shearer report alleges that there is video of Trump caught in a sexual tryst in the presidential suite of the Moscow Ritz-Carlton in 2013. According to Shearer’s FSB source, this is how the Russians compromised Trump.

These are nearly identical to the core findings that Steele seems to have shared with the State Department and FBI in June and early July.
The chronology of the BuzzFeed document indicates no other memos existed at that point. It’s not known whether Steele shared reporting with U.S. authorities that was not included in the BuzzFeed version.

Seeding the Media with Collusion Claims

DOJ officials claim that Steele’s reports regarding the Republican candidate’s alleged relationship to an adversarial foreign power were shelved for several months. However, action on the media front in early summer shows this is unlikely.

Shortly after Steele met with an FBI agent in London the first week of July, the press was briefed on his subsequent reporting.
On July 26, a Wall Street Journal reporter texted Carter Page to ask for comment on allegations that he had met with Igor Sechin, a Russian energy executive and Putin ally, to discuss “energy deals and the possibility of the U.S. government lifting sanctions.”

The reporter’s queries match allegations made in a July 19 Steele memo that Page met with Sechin, who was sanctioned by the United States in 2014, during a Moscow trip earlier that month to discuss “future bilateral energy cooperation and prospects for an associated move to lift Ukraine-related Western sanctions on Russia.”
These claims were entered in the original FISA application and all three renewals.

The FBI terminated its arrangement with Steele after discovering that he had briefed the press for a Mother Jones article published October 31
The House Intelligence Committee’s FISA memo argued that
Steele should have been fired for his “undisclosed contacts” with press outlets in September, before the FISA application was submitted to the court.
But the exchange between Page and the WSJ reporter shows the press was being briefed on what is said to be Steele’s reporting by the end of July. Page wrote on Twitter recently that Fusion GPS fed the journalist this material.

Page has denied that he knows Sechin, the president of Rosneft (Russia’s major petroleum company), or the Kremlin official named in the memo. He responded to the Journal reporter that the “sanctions lifting point” was “ridiculous.”

The Advantages of Targeting a Normal Person

The former Trump volunteer recently filed a defamation lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee and the law firm, Perkins Coie, that hired Fusion GPS on Clinton and the DNC’s behalf.
“Until then, I was an unknown name,” Page told The Federalist in a recent phone call. “The advantage of smearing a private figure is that you can make up whatever lies you want. If you’re sketching someone on a blank slate, then it’s easy to draw a fictional characterization.”

According to intelligence officials, the fact that Page was relatively unknown made him an attractive target.
Intelligence sources told The Federalist that Page was likely targeted as a means of accessing the Trump team’s communications.

“It can be tougher to make a FISA case on a prominent, government-connected figure,” said former Army intelligence officer Chris Farrell, now director of investigations at Judicial Watch. “But you can spin a tale about a guy who is on the margins. You can make sweeping generalizations, you don’t have to be too detailed. And they’d use the lack of information on Page to explain that’s precisely why they need the warrant—to learn more about him.”

Intelligence sources told The Federalist that Page was likely targeted as a means of accessing the Trump team’s communications.

“It’s not just that it would be hard to convince a judge to let you target Trump,” said a former senior U.S. intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“There’s an upside to going after a middle or lower-level figure in an organizational structure.”

According to FISA’s two-jump protocol, the FBI can monitor the communications of those in contact with the target and those in contact with them.
Law enforcement would look for a target likely to provide the largest aperture into an organization.

“The fact that Page was a peripheral campaign figure meant he was in contact with more people than someone like Trump, whose contacts were likely pretty limited,” said the same source.
“Trump’s the top guy, so his contacts within the team are through a funnel, a handful of aides. Targeting Page would give them broader ability to hop. His first order contacts within the campaign team were probably limited, maybe 15 people—who knows? But that would give lots of access to other people on the second hop, maybe 30 or 40 times that.”

Page is the dossier’s protagonist. It is the dossier’s account of his actions that earned the October 21 warrant.
A former prosecutor familiar with the case told The Federalist that when he first read the dossier, he recognized immediately that Page was the central figure: “All the other stuff isn’t that important. The other characters appear to be secondary. Page is the leading actor, the centerpiece of the dossier. He’s the one who is alleged to have committed a crime.”

Crossing the Criminal Accusation Threshold

To get a FISA warrant on American citizen, there must be probable cause to believe that the subject has or may be about to commit a crime.

Retired FBI agent Mark Wauck enumerated what is required to get a FISA warrant on a U.S. person. “He must be acting as an agent of a foreign power,” Wauck told The Federalist.
“He must be engaged in clandestine intelligence activity, and the clandestine intelligence activity involves or may involve a violation of a criminal statute. No crime alleged, no FISA warrant,”

Title I of the 1978 Foreign Surveillance Act—“Electronic Surveillance within the United States for Foreign Intelligence Purposes”—lays it out. Under the definition of “agent of a foreign power,” there are two categories: “any person other than a United States person,” and “any person.” Since Page is an American citizen, he falls into the second category.

According to Wauck, the relevant parts are two paragraphs in Section 101 (b) (2). To obtain a FISA warrant on a U.S. person, the target either:

(A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, which activities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;

(B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States.

“So to get a FISA on Page,” says Wauck. “They must allege that his clandestine intelligence activities involve or may involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States. No exceptions, no way around it. So, rest assured that somewhere in the application–possibly redacted–there is an allegation regarding a criminal violation.”

Former DOJ official Andrew McCarthy made a similar observation in a September 2018 National Review column analyzing the FISA application, with special attention to the probable cause section.
Why, asks McCarthy, do Page’s crimes appear to be redacted? “Is it because the ‘crime’ allegations come from the Steele dossier and the FBI would rather not acknowledge that?”

The timeline and composition of the dossier suggest this is the case. Thus it’s instructive to see the narrative constructed around Page—both the media legend and the dossier memos that were fed into the FISA application—as an instrument built for a specific goal: To secure a warrant to spy on the Trump team, using Page as a point of entry.

Using Page to Get Trump

First, Page, all but unknown in foreign policy circles, had to be portrayed as a key member of the Trump team.
This was the goal of the media campaign targeting Page.

The Wall Street Journal reporter appears to have been one of several journalists briefed during the same period on Page’s alleged Russian-related activities.
Articles published during July and early August (The Atlantic, The New Yorker, The Weekly Standard, Washington Post, and Slate) cite Page’s biography and articles as evidence of Trump’s ties to Russia.

An important target audience was the handful of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judges likely to read the application for a warrant on the Trump adviser.
Page’s alleged interactions with Russian officials were represented as part of a larger clandestine network linking the Trump team to the Kremlin.

“By the time it got to the secret court,” said a senior congressional source, “it was supposed to be common knowledge that Page was strangely friendly to Russia.”

Page is first identified in the dossier in an undated memo (Report 095), apparently from the mid-July period, as an intermediary used by Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort to manage the “well-developed conspiracy” between Trump and the Russians.

Among other pieces of evidence cited in the dossier to prove Manafort’s connections to the Kremlin is an August 22 report detailing a “secret” meeting the previous week between Putin and former Ukrainian president Victor Yanukovich, a former Manafort client.
In their meeting, according to the dossier, Yanukovich confirmed to Putin that he “authorized the kick-back payments to Manafort, as alleged in western media.”

The memo is likely referring to a New York Times article from the previous week sourced to Ukrainian activists. But the August 15 meeting in Volgograd between Putin and Yanukovich is an invention.

A Russian government website shows Putin was in Volgograd on that date, for a one-day trip. Yanukovich, however, didn’t get to Volgograd until August 18, three days after Putin left.
It would have been hard to miss Yanukovich’s arrival, since he pulled into port on a triple-decker yacht.

hus Page’s alleged interactions with Russian officials were represented as part of a larger clandestine network linking the Trump team to the Kremlin.
Press coverage of Page’s July trip to Moscow, and his speech there, proved he was somehow engaged in Russia-related affairs—while the dossier purported to unveil the real, nefarious purpose of his trip.

Ticking Off the FISA Boxes

The July 19 Steele memo alleging that Page had a “secret meeting” with Sechin checked off an important box for the FISA application process.

“It’s to find out about the target’s clandestine activities on behalf of foreign powers. It doesn’t make sense if it’s a public meeting in Red Square,” said Wauck. “Next you’d want to show that the people he met with clandestinely were part of the criminal activity.”
The memo ties Page’s potentially criminal actions to Trump himself.

However, there is no crime alleged in the July 19 memo.
The substance of Page’s supposed meeting is not criminal.
Removing sanctions on Russia in exchange for bilateral energy cooperation would be a matter of policy.

The criminal predicate for the FISA warrant is introduced subsequently, in a memo dated almost exactly three months later, October 18.
Report 134 is essentially a revision of the July 19 memo. It discusses the same meeting in early July and appears to be described by the same intimate of Sechin’s who reported the meeting to Steele’s intermediary in July.
This time, however, Sechin’s “close associate” gives a significantly different account to Steele’s source—he “elaborated on the reported secret [July] meeting.”

According to the October 18 report, instead of offering bilateral energy cooperation in exchange for convincing Trump to relieve sanctions, Sechin tells Page that he will profit personally. According to the memo, Page was offered “the brokerage of up to a 19% (privatised) stake in Rosneft in return.”

That’s bribery. The scheme would have benefited both men, likely removing sanctions on Sechin and making Page a wealthy man.
The brokerage fee would have amounted to at least tens of millions of dollars on a percentage worth more than $10 billion.

The Trump adviser, the report continues, “expressed interest and confirmed that were Trump elected US president, then sanctions on Russia would be lifted.” The memo ties Page’s potentially criminal actions to Trump himself. According to Steele’s source, Page was “speaking with the Republican candidate’s authority.”

The Importance of 19 Percent

Newly incoming House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff contended back in March 2017 that the fact Rosneft did eventually sell off a 19 percent stake, to Qatar, proves the veracity of the dossier.
However, the number would have been easy to find on the internet.
By spring 2016 it was widely reported that Russia, hurting from both sanctions and a drop in energy prices, intended to sell off between 19 and 19.5 percent of Rosneft.
‘It suggests that the scenario may have been directed by the FBI.’

Nevertheless, the 19 percent figure may have won the warrant. “Imagine you’re before a judge,” said Wauck, “and you’re making a case that your suspect was involved in a bribery scheme.
If you give a real figure, that’s a lot more persuasive than saying he was handed a suitcase full of cash.”

While the allegations from the July 19 memo regarding the Page-Sechin meeting are included in all four FISA applications, the dossier’s allegations of Page’s crime are apparent in neither the original nor the three renewals. Either the warrants failed for some reason to include sensational allegations of a potential crime in connection with the clandestine intelligence activities of a FISA target, or the allegations are redacted. Perhaps that was to conceal evidence that Steele’s October 18 memo secured the FISA three days later.

The rapid turnaround is not typical, says Judicial Watch’s Farrell. “An act of espionage may not be reportable for years. By its nature, you’re talking about clandestine activity, so you may not find out about it until long after it’s happened. Here the operational activity is identified almost immediately. And then it’s followed by a warrant. It suggests that the scenario may have been directed by the FBI.”
https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/new-documents-suggest-steele-dossier-deliberate-setup-trump/
 
Because it is a provisional conclusion it means it isn't the most plausible. It is simple one of several equally plausible conclusions.

I didn’t say that lol.

I granted, that it was a provisional conclusion. It’s apparently important to you that at least some hope remains Mullet will get Page for something.

I’ll leave you to your delusions.
 
Paying for opposition research and listing it in your FEC documents is not a violation.

Accepting or attempting to accept something of value from a foreigner by a campaign is a violation of the law.

If opposition research has no value why do campaigns typically pay for opposition research?
If we use Occam's razor, the likeliest solution is that because campaigns pay for opposition research then opposition research has value.

I would almost buy this except for the fact it involves Russians.

Junior makes a clumsy, amateur hour attempt, at doing opposition research with a Russian; no money changes hands, no quid pro quo, no conspiracy, not even any evidence he hears or obtains anything and people accuse him of ‘treason’ and want to throw the whole Trump family in the brig over it.

Democrats actively pursue Russians, using at least two cut-outs, pay big money for and actually obtain unverified/unverifiable information from the Russians.

And it’s ho-hum, big Nothing Burger.

Setting aside the fact that the unverified/unverifiable part is a huge Red Flag, most reasonable and fair minded folks are going to say wtf? at the clear double-standard.

It’s ridiculously easy to get the idea democrats play by different rules.
 
there is specific terminology when speaking of Russian agents as being part of
Russian Intelligence services ( GRU) or Internal services (FSB).

A Russian agent is someone acting as an agent for the Russian government. A GRU agent and an FSB agent are particular varieties of Russian agents. If someone wants to accuse the Trumps of knowingly meeting with people they had been told were GRU or FSB agents, I'll point out that we don't know that to be true. But they were quite clear they were meeting with Russian agents.

you and I both know there is no legal term for collusion.

I haven't claimed there is. In the same way, if I point out Trump is a crook and a philanderer, that's not a claim that "crook" and "philanderer" are legally defined categories. Collusion is a common English term meant to refer to secret collaboration for illicit purposes. That definitely describes what the Trump campaign was doing. Not only did they knowingly violate the letter of campaign finance law, but they violated its spirit, as well (several parts of campaign finance law are set up with the clear intent of keeping foreigners from influencing our elections, and the Trump campaign met with Russian agents for the express purpose of helping the Russians influence the election). I have no idea whether the Justice Department will have the balls to try to make a criminal case stick on that basis, but it's collusion one way or the other.

he's looking for a conspiracy. That has to have a corrupt quid pro quo -which does not exist here

We don't know exactly what he's looking for, other than in the long list of cases he has already charged or gotten a guilty plea from. When the report comes out, we'll know better. But, as you can see from the cases he's already made, it does not require a quid pro quo.

I can't follow that fairy tale of "what ifs". CFR require monetary or "in kind" donations to be disclosed
That does not apply here

Campaign law clearly bans the provision of anything of value to campaigns by foreigners. If that will now be unofficially modified, solely to protect Trump, it sets a new precedent that effectively renders the law pointless. After all, if in-kind donations of valuable information do not count as in-kind donations of something of value, then any foreigner looking to contribute to a US campaign merely has to do so by way of an organization set up to deal strictly in information. Campaigns can then outsource all information-based needs to those foreign organizations, at no cost. That could include all their opposition research, of course, their polling, their surveys, their compiling of voter lists, their data processing, their data storage, the creation of their advertising, the writing of their talking points and speeches, etc. Heck, even computer code is just information, so you could have the foreign-funded corporation do custom coding for you, for anything from internal communications systems to chatbots for spreading your information. As long as the campaign contributions are laundered through the organization that keeps itself strictly to information-based in-kind help for campaigns, campaign finance laws would no longer apply. The "Trump Exception" would effectively swallow the rule, since such a large portion of a campaign's expenses come down to the expenses around information.

This is where we end up, thanks to the utter subservience of conservatives to the interests of Donald Trump. Since they start with the understanding that if Trump or his team did something, it can't be illegal, our laws can be whittled away at will, simply be creating an unwritten exception wide enough to cover anything Trump does. If the Trump campaign solicited in-kind donations of valuable information from foreigners, then there must be an unwritten "information" exception to the general rule about not being able to solicit anything of value from foreigners for a campaign, right?
 
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you are a trollish pest because you simply come around and criticize posts without making any statements of your own.

anyone can pick part another post - when I see you making some declarative positions on your own I'll take you seriously- until then you are a pest.

There was nothing given to Trump Jr. no opposition research, no quid pro quo for a corrupt conspiracy.

further "in kind" means goods or services - opposition research is only "in kind" if it was paid for -this was not.

go post some thing affirmative on your own, and quit acting like like the boards sheriff

Yeah...according to his sheepish puppets...LIKE YOU...he, and his associates, did nothing wrong.

Donald Trump is a pathetic, incompetent, lying, classless boor who is damaging his nation and the world.

People like you who are helping to enable him by continuing support...ARE EVEN WORSE THAN HE IS.

In essence, you are the German population who cheered Hitler in the 1930's.

You should be hanging your head in shame.
 
Also, classified information is a different category of information. You can’t yell fire in a theater and be protected by the First Amendment: Free speech isn’t an absolute right.

A Russian lawyer simply speaking about Hillary’s corrupt dealings with the Russians is simply—speech. Are you suggesting Junior had no right to hear it?

What country are we living in?

A foreign national agreeing to provide something of value to a campaign is closer to the category of classified information. Both affect national security.
We live in a country of laws which no one should be exempted from. The law states campaigns can't solicit something of value from a foreign national.
 
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