Jobs Numbers Revision "up to" 1 Million lower than reported


(Bloomberg) — US job growth in the year through March was likely far less robust than initially estimated, which risks fueling concerns that the Federal Reserve is falling further behind the curve to lower interest rates.

Translation:

:yay: Yayyyyyyy!!!!! Bad news for America!!!!

:hand:Hooray for bad news for America!!!!

:cheer: Go bad news for America!!!!
 
Meh, the economy is still in great shape. The opposition can’t campaign against it. Job reports are often adjusted after the initial report.
This thread must be satire. Bloomberg cites Wall St. No bias there. Goldman/Wells Fargo are 'the sky is falling, while J.P. Morgan is about half of that.

Yet another nonsensical ploy to force the Fed's hand next month. First, they all took profits a couple of weeks ago in order to drive the market down. The sky was truly falling then, and they all blamed the Fed. Of course, the pigs couldn't resist the now bargain basement prices and the market came right back.

This latest nonsense is also aimed at pressuring the Fed, with absolutely no basis in fact. Interesting that the OP redacted this little gem from the link:

There are a number of caveats in the preliminary figure, but a downward revision to employment of more than 501,000 would be the largest in 15 years and suggest the labor market has been cooling for longer — and perhaps more so — than originally thought. The final numbers are due early next year.
 
Thanks, I’ll wait for the actual revision. And then I’ll wait for the recession you have told us is coming for the last three years. And wait. And wait. What’s hilarious is that even if the million revision is accurate, job growth has been absolutely outstanding during the Biden administration. This is a ‘who cares’ situation.
See above. Even though you already have ;)
 
Here's the latest update:

U.S. Job Market Was Weaker Than Previously Reported, Data Show

Employers might have added 818,000 fewer jobs in the 12 months through March, the Labor Department says

The job market from early 2023 through early this year wasn’t as hot as it seemed at the time, new government data suggested Wednesday.

Compared with the still-official numbers, employers might have added 818,000 fewer jobs in the 12 months through March, the Labor Department said. That means the economy could have added around 178,000 jobs a month over that period, as opposed to the current estimate of 246,000 jobs a month.

Wednesday’s report marked the first step of an annual process by which the Labor Department updates older payroll figures using data from state unemployment-tax records that is more comprehensive, but less timely, than its monthly employer survey. It is only a preliminary estimate of a revision that will be made to the official numbers in February.

Investors had already been anticipating a downward adjustment for the period in question. More broadly, many haven’t quite believed that the labor market was as strong as payroll figures have suggested because other data points—such as a rising unemployment rate—have told a less rosy story. (The unemployment rate is based on a separate survey, of households instead of employers.)

A surprisingly big increase in the unemployment rate last month has increased speculation that the Federal Reserve might cut interest rates by a larger-than-normal half a percentage point at its next meeting on Sept. 17-18—although other, more reassuring data have tempered those bets. Central-bank officials from around the world will meet in Wyoming this week, and Fed Chair Jerome Powell could provide hints about the Fed’s thinking in a speech on Friday.


Market reaction to Wednesday’s report was muted. Stocks notched modest gains, with the S&P 500 rising 0.4%.

The yield on the benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury note settled at 3.778%, down from 3.818% Tuesday. Yields on shorter-term Treasurys fell more, a sign that traders think the Fed might have to cut rates a little more aggressively than they had previously anticipated.

Wednesday’s report doesn’t necessarily mean that job gains in the months after March will be revised downward. The payroll growth suggested by the preliminary estimate could also be revised upward when the actual adjustment is made in February. That has been the case in each of the past four years, Goldman Sachs analysts wrote in a recent report. Analysts at Barclays wrote Wednesday that they expect the eventual revision to be about half the size of the initial estimate.

Some analysts have also noted that revised payroll figures could be misleading because they might not take into account a recent surge in immigration that has powered the job market.

Unauthorized immigrant workers are likely to be included when the government surveys businesses to ask them about their employees. But they don’t qualify for unemployment insurance, so they may not show up in the jobs data based on state unemployment-tax records.

The estimated revisions were scheduled to be released at 10 a.m. ET but didn’t appear on the Labor Department’s website until about 10:30 a.m. A spokesperson said the agency was “looking into the reason for the delay.”

 
The Sahm Rule is an indicator that states the start of a recession is when the three month average of the unemployment rate increases by at least 0.5% from its 12 month low. And the rule has been triggered indicating would are in a recession. However Sahm herself has come out and said she doesn't think we are in recession.

But it's an interesting dynamic for some to say the economy is doing great while having a recession indicator triggered. There's a disconnect here.
 
The Sahm Rule is an indicator that states the start of a recession is when the three month average of the unemployment rate increases by at least 0.5% from its 12 month low. And the rule has been triggered indicating would are in a recession. However Sahm herself has come out and said she doesn't think we are in recession.

But it's an interesting dynamic for some to say the economy is doing great while having a recession indicator triggered. There's a disconnect here.
There is very little to suggest an imminent recession much less the idea that we are in one. A one percent increase in consumer spending does not happen in a recession.
 
Anyone catch Clinton's speech?

51 million jobs added since the end of the cold war. 50 million under Dems - 1 million under Republicans.

I'm definitely good if this campaign is about jobs.
 
There is very little to suggest an imminent recession much less the idea that we are in one. A one percent increase in consumer spending does not happen in a recession.
It’s 25 minutes but it’s a good listen if you’re into this type of thing. She gets into the history of her rule, the intention behind it, how it’s been triggered today and why she thinks we’re likely not in a recession.

 
It’s 25 minutes but it’s a good listen if you’re into this type of thing. She gets into the history of her rule, the intention behind it, how it’s been triggered today and why she thinks we’re likely not in a recession.

Concrete, any credit card debt in there or didn't they teach you that in economics school?
 
It’s 25 minutes but it’s a good listen if you’re into this type of thing. She gets into the history of her rule, the intention behind it, how it’s been triggered today and why she thinks we’re likely not in a recession.

The Sahm Rule is an indicator that states the start of a recession is when the three month average of the unemployment rate increases by at least 0.5% from its 12 month low. And the rule has been triggered indicating would are in a recession. However Sahm herself has come out and said she doesn't think we are in recession.

But it's an interesting dynamic for some to say the economy is doing great while having a recession indicator triggered. There's a disconnect here.
i think the disconnect is almost completely partisan. A couple of things… One, I don’t believe there is any dispute among serious economists that the economy is doing well given the rapid increase in interest rates. The July jobs report was the first real warning sign we’ve seen and it was followed up immediately by the better than expected consumer spending report and solid earnings from Walmart. Second, the unemployment number seems to tick up and down with less attachment to job creation than in the past. I believe that is largely a measure of shifting attitudes towards employment and home ownership as measures of success. Things change., There is much less correlation between interest rate changes and changes in growth than there used to be as well.
 
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